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Gold9472
08-28-2006, 09:26 PM
Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil, says Vatican exorcist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=402602&in_page_id=1770

(Gold9472: And Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld, etc...?)

By NICK PISA
Last updated at 17:32pm on 28th August 2006

Adolf Hitler and Russian leader Stalin were possessed by the Devil, the Vatican's chief exorcist has claimed.

Father Gabriele Amorth who is Pope Benedict XVI's 'caster out of demons' made his comments during an interview with Vatican Radio.

Father Amorth said: "Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations.

"I am convinced that the Nazis were all possessed. All you have to do is think about what Hitler - and Stalin did. Almost certainly they were possessed by the Devil.

"You can tell by their behaviour and their actions, from the horrors they committed and the atrocities that were committed on their orders. That's why we need to defend society from demons."

According to secret Vatican documents recently released wartime pontiff Pope Pius XII attempted a "long distance" exorcism of Hitler which failed to have any effect.

Father Amorth said: "It's very rare that praying and attempting to carry out an exorcism from distance works.

"Of course you can pray for someone from a distance but in this case it would not have any effect.

"One of the key requirements for an exorcism is to be present in front of the possessed person and that person also has to be consenting and willing.

"Therefore trying to carry out an exorcism on someone who is not present, or consenting and willing would prove very difficult.

"However I have no doubt that Hitler was possessed and so it does not surprise me that Pope Pius XII tried a long distance exorcism."

In the past Father Amorth has also spoken out against the Harry Potter books, claiming that reading the novels of the teen wizard open children's minds to dabbling with the occult and black magic.

Father Amorth, who is president of the International Association of Exorcists, said of the JK Rowling books:"Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil."

He said that Rowling's books contain innumerable positive references to magic, "the satanic art" and added the books attempt to make a false distinction between black and white magic, when in fact, the distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil."

Father Amorth is said to have carried out more than 30,000 exorcisms in his career and his favourite film is, according to Italian newspapers The Exorcist.

Cloak & Swagger
08-28-2006, 10:53 PM
(Gold9472: And Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld, etc...?)
It's kind of hard for the devil to possess himself.
Anyways, I really don't like the ongoing demonization of either side, it only fuels the ridiculous religous spats, and makes people revert back into into an irrational state of mind that makes them feel as though their extreme actions are justified by defining those whom they disagree with as the epitome of evil.
I can see no greater evil than trying to enforce such definitions on the masses, thereby creating situations that can only be solved through mass death.
This is not religion, it is madness.

PhilosophyGenius
08-28-2006, 11:49 PM
Didnt Pope John Paul think Bush was the anti-Christ or something?

AuGmENTor
08-29-2006, 06:10 AM
Didnt Pope John Paul think Bush was the anti-Christ or something? They've sung that song so much I'm starting to know the words. The vatican is so rich and so corrupt, they can't get out of their own way, let alone KNOW anything. I believe in God, but organised religion was a tool designed to ammass wealth, control the minds of men, and satisfy the agendas of the wealthy elite. Even back in those days those things existed. They just didn't have skyscapers and airplanes way back when. So instead, when rotten pork killed someone, they said it was because it went against God's will, and that's why they died. And the sheep believed them, and didn't eat meat on Fridays anymore. When in reality it was just because there was no Frigidaires back then.

thumper
08-29-2006, 12:18 PM
i believe the top illuminists are possessed by the devil.

Partridge
08-29-2006, 01:00 PM
"You can tell by their behaviour and their actions, from the horrors they committed and the atrocities that were committed on their orders. That's why we need to defend society from demons."So, The Crusades then... what was that all about? Hypocritical bastards.

And for the record, I don't believe in any Invisible Men, good, bad or indifferent.