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Gold9472
11-12-2006, 11:19 AM
'Israel must prepare for full-scale war'

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By JPOST.COM STAFF
11/11/2006

Israel has to prepare for a full-scale war, in which Syria will be an important player, an Israeli military official told the British Sunday Times. "The challenge from Iran and Syria is now top of the Israeli defense agenda, higher than the Palestinian one," another official said.

The recent war with Hizbullah and the threat that Iran could achieve nuclear weapons capability have led Israel to reexamine its defense strategies, and focus on the region's two major supporters of terrorism, IDF sources have said recently. One conclusion is that Israel has allocated too much time and energy to addressing the terror threat posed by Palestinian groups in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

According to London's International Institute for Strategic Studies, both Iran and Syria have ballistic missiles whose range extends over most of Israel, including Tel Aviv. Funds have reportedly been approved for the construction of appropriately equipped shelters.

Eyeing Syria, the IDF has formed a new infantry brigade, known as Kfir (young lion), as a countermeasure against Syria's commando forces, which are considered "better" than Hizbullah guerrillas, a military source informed the Times. The IDF is also reportedly integrating three elite brigades in preparation for them cooperating on deep cross-border operations into Syria and Iran.

Also, shortly before the Lebanon war, Maj.-Gen. Eliezer Shkedy was appointed head of the IDF's Iranian Front - and as such will command any future strikes against Syria or Iran.

Some analysts say that it would have been better for Israel to attack Syria during the recent war with Hizbullah. Syria has consistently supplied Hizbullah with weapons, and according to recent UN reports, has continued to smuggle arms to the organization despite an international embargo. "If they had acted against Syria during this last kerfuffle, the war might have ended more quickly and better," American analyst Richard Perle said.

"Syrian military installations are sitting ducks and the Syrian air force could have been destroyed on the ground in a couple of days," Perle continued.

beltman713
11-12-2006, 11:38 AM
If they think they can take on Iran and Syria themselves, tell to go for it. But don't expect any help from us.

EminemsRevenge
11-12-2006, 12:03 PM
If they think they can take on Iran and Syria themselves, tell to go for it. But don't expect any help from us.
i don't think YOU could help an old lady cross the street, so who's this "us" you're referring to???

Everyone seems to think Hezbollah won in that recent skirmish in Lebanon...forgetting that Israel HAS to fight with both hands tied behind its back...in a war for SURVIVAL though, i'd take the UNDER on a 15 days bet

beltman713
11-12-2006, 12:12 PM
i don't think YOU could help an old lady cross the street, so who's this "us" you're referring to???

Everyone seems to think Hezbollah won in that recent skirmish in Lebanon...forgetting that Israel HAS to fight with both hands tied behind its back...in a war for SURVIVAL though, i'd take the UNDER on a 15 days bet
Eat shit asshole. You are about the dumbest fuck, that comes to this board, once every month or two to dispense you incoherent bullshit. Why don't you go away?

Chana3812
11-12-2006, 09:24 PM
Go Away and Never Come Back

AuGmENTor
11-12-2006, 09:52 PM
i don't think YOU could help an old lady cross the street, so who's this "us" you're referring to???

Everyone seems to think Hezbollah won in that recent skirmish in Lebanon...forgetting that Israel HAS to fight with both hands tied behind its back...in a war for SURVIVAL though, i'd take the UNDER on a 15 days betHey there rectal nugget, ever been in combat yourself? Or do you just spew bullshit and expect people to buy it because you're published? You fit much better at HSBB jerkoff. I agree with beltman here, (and chana too for that matter). I'm torn because Jon said you weren't a bad sort, but alls I've EVER heard from you is bullshit. So here it is, either put up some combat theater credentials, or STFU. Cause if you can make a statement like that, and have never served, you are a moron.

AuGmENTor
11-12-2006, 09:55 PM
If they think they can take on Iran and Syria themselves, tell to go for it. But don't expect any help from us.But whaddya think, we do back them, don't we? So if nothing else, they'd have our support if they do make that stupid move. You know when I say our support, I mean the criminals that govern us, and not us personally....

Partridge
11-14-2006, 02:09 PM
forgetting that Israel HAS to fight with both hands tied behind its back
Cluster bombs, phosperphous bombs, mass murder of civilians, land appropriation, detention without trial, ethnic cleansing, and collective punishment are the stock in trade of the Israeli military/ruling class. Be it in Lebanon, Gaza or the West Bank. Hands tied behind their backs my arse. About the only war crime the Israeli state hasn't committed since 1948 is dropping a nuke...


IDF preparing for another conflict by next summer By Amir Oren (amir_oren@haaretz.co.il)

Syria and Hezbollah are likely to start a war against Israel next summer, according to General Staff assessments that have been gathered during a series of meetings in recent weeks. While there is no specific estimate concerning the timing of a potential attack, all preparations are being made to ensure maximum preparedness in advance of summer, 2007.

Since the lessons of the war in Lebanon are still not finalized in reports, it was decided to consider 2007 as an interim period, and to make decisions concerning a multiple-year force build-up only at the end of that year.

Meanwhile, two important interim decisions were made during the recent deliberations: the development, within three years, of a system capable of intercepting 220 mm. and 302 mm. surface-to-surface rockets, of the sort that Hezbollah used to target Haifa and other towns during the recent war; and to wait to make a final decision with respect to cancelation of the Merkava tank production line.

The rocket interceptor system will be developed on the basis of existing missiles, and according to future developments of these platforms.

Regarding the Merkava, an analysis of the use of tanks during the fighting in Lebanon in the July-August campaign, and particularly the performance of the Merkava Mark-4, suggests that if properly deployed, the tank can provide its crew with better protection than in the past. The conclusion is that the Israel Defense Forces still requires an annual supply of dozens of advanced tanks in order to replace the older, more vulnerable versions that are still in service.

Also, it was decided to postpone for a year the decision made by the previous defense minister, Shaul Mofaz, on shortening the duration of military service for conscripts by four to eight months, which was to go into effect in March 2007. Retaining the current terms of service will allow the necessary training to enable divisions to be prepared for combat and to heighten their effectiveness in battle.

The IDF would also like to relinquish control of the Home Front Command and pass on responsibility for coordinating the police and other relevant authorities to a civilian entity. This view has been presented by the IDF to the National Security Council, which is expected to oversee this coordination.

In its evaluation of Israel's strategic capabilities for the interim and long-term, the General Staff relies on the assessments of Military Intelligence and the work of the Planning Directorate. At the end of a series of General Staff meetings, Chief of Staff Dan Halutz designated five main areas, or scenarios, that the IDF must seriously consider:

Preparation for conflagration in the north: A war initiated by Syria or Hezbollah, separately or together, with backing from Iran. The likelihood is that such a conflagration will erupt in the next two years, peaking in the spring-summer months of 2007. Among the reasons for tension: a growing sense of "success" among forces in the region that oppose Israel and the West. A decision in Washington to withdraw the majority of its forces from Iraq will contribute to this atmosphere and will necessitate concentrating on the possibility that Iraq may become part of an eastern front comprising Iran and Syria. Military Intelligence estimate that there are 5,000 Katyushas in southern Lebanon, even after IDF mop-up operations there.

Asymmetric fighting: Hostile Arab states, with Syria at the lead, and paramilitary organizations, prominent among them Hezbollah, have relinquished - even before the fighting in Lebanon and as a consequence of it - the possibility of a direct confrontation with Israel, in view of its superiority in both air and armored forces, negating the chances of success of a major ground offensive. Instead they have opted for a war of continuous attrition, with the deployment of infantry forces heavily equiped with anti-tank weapons, commando units, ballistic weapons and tunnel access. In countering them, the IDF would like to develop necessary preparedness, partly overt, in an effort to deter them, or in case of failure, to achieve a significant military gain quickly, along parameters determined by the political leadership.

Terror: Continuous effort on the Palestinian front to carry out terrorist attacks, with increasingly overt direction by the Hamas government. This places a question mark over the IDF's intention, following the abduction of Gilad Shalit, to develop a working relationship with the Hamas government, aimed at achieving a long-term cease-fire. The arming of Hamas in the Gaza Strip in recent months, and the ongoing refusal to accept the terms put forth by the Quartet (recognition of Israel, relinquishing violence, acceptance of previous PLO accords with Israel), lend weight to the adoption of an offensive strategy. The final say on this matter belongs to the political leadership.

The expected escalation in terrorism also includes the gradual but increasing role of the global Jihadist element, and a regional movement operating in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and other states - affiliated with Al Qaida.

Long-range challenges: The focus here is mainly on Iran, which is considered to be a growing threat, even though it does not pose an immediate threat in the coming year. Its place on the list of priorities is relatively low, and stems from the fact that there has been no need to immediately alter the preparations of air, sea and intelligence units in dealing with it.

Advanced Western equipment in armies of the region: Aircraft, naval vessels, missiles, armored vehicles in armies whose governments have peace treaties with, or do not have immediate hostile policies toward Israel, but who could become immediate threats upon the collapse of their regime, or in-fighting over succession, and the rise of hostile regimes. Efforts will be made in the United States in order to preserve the principle of "quality advantage" in favor of the IDF, by making available the most advanced systems to Israel, while delivering to (currently) moderate states systems lacking the more sophisticated upgrades.


Israel projects Syria-Hezbollah warTEL AVIV, Israel, Nov. 6 (UPI) -- Israel's army command expects Hezbollah and Syria to wage war against the Jewish state next summer and seeks to ensure maximum preparedness.

Daily Ha'aretz reported Monday that the war projection was part of assessments made by the army's General Staff during a series of meetings in recent weeks.

While there is no specific estimate concerning the timing of a potential attack, all preparations are being made to ensure maximum preparedness in advance of summer 2007, the paper said.

The General Staff decided to freeze plans for a multiple-year force build-up and consider 2007 as an interim period on grounds that the lessons of the 34-day war against Hezbollah in Lebanon last summer have not yet been finalized in reports.

Meanwhile, two important interim decisions were made during the recent deliberations: The development, within three years, of a system capable of intercepting 220mm and 302mm surface-to-surface rockets, of the sort that Hezbollah used to target Haifa and other towns during the recent war; and to wait to make a final decision with respect to cancellation of the Merkava tank production line.

It was also decided to postpone for a year the decision made by the previous defense minister, Shaul Mofaz, to shorten the duration of military service for conscripts by four to eight months, which was to go into effect in March 2007.

Retaining the current terms of service will allow for the training necessary to enable divisions to be prepared for combat and to heighten their effectiveness in battle.

beltman713
11-14-2006, 04:30 PM
But whaddya think, we do back them, don't we? So if nothing else, they'd have our support if they do make that stupid move. You know when I say our support, I mean the criminals that govern us, and not us personally....
You're right about that, "We" will give them "Our" support, no matter what happens, whether they start some shit or get attacked themselves.