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Gold9472
12-28-2007, 08:40 AM
The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence Agency News Bias

By Jon Gold
12/27/2007

Today, sadly, former Prime Minister of Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto was assassinated. The list of suspects is a long one, but for the purposes of this article, I'm going to focus on one. The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency or, more commonly known within the 9/11 Truth Movement as, the ISI.

There have been all kinds of reports that say they may have had a hand in it.

Guardian reported (http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232496,00.html):
"After the October assassination attempt, Bhutto's husband, Asif Ali Zardari, who is in Dubai where the couple had been living in exile, accused members of the Pakistani security services, the ISI. "I blame government for these blasts," he said. "It is the work of the intelligence agencies."

Elements of the ISI sympathise with the Taliban and it was a possibility that "rogue elements" in the intelligence services were involved in the two attacks. The ISI became one of Pakistan's most powerful institutions under General Zia-ul-Haq, the man who launched an Islamisation campaign and who overthrew Bhutto's father and had him hung. After Gen Zia's death in a mysterious plane crash in 1988, the ISI actively campaigned against Bhutto when she entered politics."

The London Times reported (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3100052.ece):
"But fingers will also be pointed at Inter-Services Intelligence, the agency that has had close ties to the Islamists since the 1970s and has been used by successive Pakistani leaders to suppress political opposition. [...] She accused Pakistani authorities of not providing her with sufficient security and hinted that they may have been complicit in the bomb attack. Asif Ali Zardari, her husband, directly accused the ISI of being involved in that attempt on her life. [...]

Analysts say that President Musharraf himself is unlikely to have ordered her assassination, but that elements of the army and intelligence service would have stood to lose money and power if she had become Prime Minister."

The Washington Post reported (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/27/AR2007122702261.html):
"Even before the official search got underway in Pakistan, U.S. intelligence agencies yesterday were drawing up their own list of possible suspects in the assassination of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto -- a list that includes al-Qaeda as well as elements of Pakistan's own intelligence service. [...] But several officials said it is equally plausible that the assassination was carried out with the support -- or at least the tacit approval -- of Pakistani government employees. [...] Although Zinni is skeptical of the notion that Pakistani intelligence backed the assassination, other experts saw the hand of Pakistan's military intelligence arm, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, which supported the Taliban inside Afghanistan until the U.S. invasion in 2001, and is believed to maintain links to Islamic extremist groups. [...] "I know what many people in Pakistan and Afghanistan believe: They think that the Pakistani military killed her," he said. "I am not endorsing this belief -- or denying it -- but it is a political reality."Honestly, I don't know if the ISI was involved. The WPost reported, "At the same time, the official said, the rioting and unrest triggered by the slaying threaten the country's stability in a way that directly undermines the government of Musharraf, who had been her chief political rival."

However, Benazir Bhutto has not been a friend to the ISI. Just in the last week, she accused "Pakistan's Military Intelligence (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91128&postcount=11)" (which I assume is the ISI) of spying on candidates for the election. I'd say they are definitely suspects for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

It is curious though that the ISI's possible involvement in this assassination is getting so much news coverage, and the ISI's possible involvement in the 9/11 attacks got so very little. At least in the United States.

When it was reported (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15647) that Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh wire transferred $100,000 to Mohammad Atta under the direction of the ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed, the media barely covered it.

When it was reported (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16173) that Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed "lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre", the media barely covered it.

When it was reported (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FD08Aa01.html) that "a juicy direct connection was also established between Mahmoud and Republican Congressman Porter Gross and Democratic Senator Bob Graham" the media barely covered it.

When it was reported (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html) that during the week of 9/11, Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed "held long parleys with unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon. But the most important meeting was with Marc Grossman, U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs" the media barely covered it.

When Dep. FBI Dir. John S. Pistole testified (http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/pistole073103.htm) before the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs that "a continuing investigation, in coordination with the PENTTBOMB Team, has traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known Al Qa'ida operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the U.S." the media barely covered it.

When an FO official, Sadiq, reported (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8928) that “Pakistan gave tens of thousands of dollars through its lobbyists in the United States to members of the 9/11 inquiry commission to ‘convince’ them to drop some anti-Pakistan findings in the report" the media barely covered it.

When President Musharraf wrote in his book (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12818&highlight=omar) that Omar Sheikh may have been an MI6 asset, the media barely covered it.

When the Washington Times reported (http://web.archive.org/web/20050211163421/http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040726-013340-4811r.htm) that 9/11 Family Member Lorie Van Auken was "irate" that the June 16 commission narrative of the 9/11 attacks did not even mention the allegation about Ahmed's role in the $100,000 transfer to Mohammed Atta", the media barely covered it.

When 9/11 Family Member Bill Doyle reported (http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/aj_2006-07-07_clipped.mp3) to Alex Jones that a source told him part of the 28 pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry talked about the U.S. funneling money into Pakistan, the media barely covered it.

When Mariane Pearl, wife of slain Wall Street Journal Reporter Daniel Pearl, wrote in her book (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15739), "A Mighty Heart" that "I read that the U.S. embassy in Islamabad asked the Pakistani government to hand over Omar on January 21–two days before Danny was kidnapped. The reason given for the U.S. request was that the 1994 kidnapping included an American citizen. But it seems clear to me that the U.S. authorities wanted to follow up on a much more disturbing trail. I read a news report from October that claimed the FBI had found “credible links” between Omar Saeed Sheikh and then director of the ISI Lieutenant General Mahmood Ahmed. It was alleged that it was Ahmed who instructed Omar to wire the $100,000 to Mohammad Atta" the media barely covered it.

When it was reported (http://www.911blogger.com/node/12478) that Osama Bin Laden had a Pakistani ISI "Handling Officer", a person who looks after the welfare of the source, keeps him motivated and uses him as needed" the media barely covered it.

When it was reported (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15027) that “A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005.” […] “Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February”, and that (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15810) "Pakistan policy is essentially being run from Cheney's office" the media barely covered it.

I understand that the assassination of Benazir Bhutto is devastating news, and that it will probably create a lot of problems for Pakistan, however, I also understand that the murder of 2,973+ people on 9/11 was ALSO devastating news, and created A LOT of problems for America and the rest of the world.

What I don't understand is why the media has a bias against reporting on the Pakistani ISI's alleged role in the 9/11 attacks. Media, maybe you can explain this to us.

orAntilogic
12-28-2007, 11:43 AM
When Dep. FBI Dir. John S. Pistole testified (http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/pistole073103.htm) before the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs that "a continuing investigation, in coordination with the PENTTBOMB Team, has traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known Al Qa'ida operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the U.S, the media barely covered it.


A supplement to another Golden piece. You are a true gentleman, an amazing scholar, and a model citizen in times like these.

Gold9472
12-28-2007, 12:11 PM
Thanks.

Gold9472
12-28-2007, 03:39 PM
From screwloosechange regarding this article:

Jon Gold gives us this brilliant insight:

Today, sadly, former Prime Minister of Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto was assassinated. The list of suspects is a long one, but for the purposes of this article, I'm going to focus on one. The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency or, more commonly known within the 9/11 Truth Movement as, the ISI.
Hello, it is more commonly known outside of the "9/11 Truth Movement" as the ISI too. Could you guys be more egocentric?

So calling me and the rest of us "egocentric" debunks this article? Is anything I said untrue? No, the ISI is more commonly known within the 9/11 Truth Movement as the ISI. They've got nothing.

simuvac
12-28-2007, 06:12 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/pakistan.friday/index.html

Pakistan: Fractured skull killed Bhutto


Story Highlights
Benazir Bhutto died after hitting head on car's sunroof, Pakistan government says
Former prime minister earlier said to have died from bomb shrapnel or bullets
NEW: Pakistan People's Party official says government explanations are "pack of lies"
U.S. official names Taliban leader as suspected plotter
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Benazir Bhutto died from a fractured skull caused by hitting her head on part of her car's sunroof as a bomb ripped through a crowd of her supporters, a spokesman for Pakistan's Interior Ministry said Friday.

"When she was thrown by the force of the shockwave of the explosion, unfortunately one of the levers of the sunroof hit her," said spokesman Brigadier Javed Iqbal Cheema.

The explanation is the latest from the Interior Ministry. It initially said Bhutto was killed by shots fired by the bomber, and then, via the state-run Associated Press of Pakistan, it said the cause of death was a shrapnel injury.

But Farzana Raja of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party told CNN the government's explanation is "a pack of lies," she told CNN. Raja also accused the government of a "total security lapse."

At a news conference, Cheema showed images of Bhutto in a car, standing up through an open sunroof, looking out at the crowd as she was about to be driven away.

When the gunshots rang out and the explosion occurred, Bhutto "fell down or perhaps ducked" and apparently hit her head on a lever, Cheema said, adding that the lever was stained with blood. http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gifWatch the shots, then a blast » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Pakistan%3A+Fractured+skull+killed+Bhutto+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=25593230&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2007%2FWORLD%2Fasia pcf%2F12%2F28%2Fpakistan.friday%2Findex.html&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCVideo)

The blast killed at least 28 more people and at least 100 were wounded.

The Interior Ministry also revealed Friday that it had proof showing that al Qaeda was behind Bhutto's assassination.

Cheema said the government had an intelligence intercept in which an al Qaeda militant "congratulated his people for carrying out this cowardly act."

However, that claim has not appeared on radical Islamist Web sites that regularly post such messages from al Qaeda and other militant groups.

The Interior Ministry told Pakistan's GEO-TV that the suicide bomber belonged to Lashkar-e-Jhangvi -- an al Qaeda-linked Sunni Muslim militant group that the government has blamed for hundreds of killings.

U.S. officials believe that a Taliban leader, Baitullah Mahsud, may be the person behind the assassination.

Bhutto was laid to rest in a chaotic funeral at her ancestral home of Garhi-Khuda Baksh on Friday after violent scenes erupted across Pakistan following her death a day earlier. http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gifWatch video from Bhutto's funeral procession » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Pakistan%3A+Fractured+skull+killed+Bhutto+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=25593230&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2007%2FWORLD%2Fasia pcf%2F12%2F28%2Fpakistan.friday%2Findex.html&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCVideo)

Hundreds of thousands of people in the surrounding streets almost brought the procession to a standstill before it finally reached the Bhutto family's mausoleum.

The throngs of her grieving supporters crushed up against the flag-draped coffin, while minor scuffles also broke out. http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/photos.gifSee images of Pakistan mourning Bhutto. » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Pakistan%3A+Fractured+skull+killed+Bhutto+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=25593230&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2007%2FWORLD%2Fasia pcf%2F12%2F28%2Fpakistan.friday%2Findex.html&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCPhoto)

Violence erupted in Pakistan in the hours before Bhutto's funeral started, with at least nine people reported killed and banks, train stations and cars torched.

Bhutto's body arrived in the hours before dawn at Garhi-Khuda Baksh after a long journey by plane, helicopter and ambulance.

The opposition leader's family -- her husband Asif Ali Zardari and three children -- accompanied the body aboard a Pakistani Air Force C-130 transport plane to Sukkor but traveled by bus from there to Larkana and on to Garhi-Khuda Baksh.

Another former prime minister, Nawaz Sharif (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Nawaz_Sharif), told CNN on Friday that he had planned to attend Bhutto's funeral, but was advised not to by Zardari, who cited security concerns.

The prime minister's office has launched a judicial inquiry and the Ministry of the Interior is setting up a police inquiry, according to Information Minister Nisar Memon.

Memon said no decision had been made to postpone parliamentary elections scheduled for January 8.

Bhutto, who was campaigning for the elections, had completed an election rally and was leaving the rally site, Rawalpindi's Liaquat Bagh Park, at the time of the attack. http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gifWhat impact could Bhutto have had in Pakistan? » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Pakistan%3A+Fractured+skull+killed+Bhutto+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=25593230&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2007%2FWORLD%2Fasia pcf%2F12%2F28%2Fpakistan.friday%2Findex.html&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCVideo)

Her father and former prime minister, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, was hanged in the same northern city in 1979.

As a shocked Pakistan (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Pakistan) absorbed the news of Bhutto's death, authorities called for calm and asked residents to stay inside.

In Sindh province, where Karachi is located, police said demonstrators had burned a dozen banks, set two train stations on fire, along with three trains. Since Thursday, 240 vehicles have been burned.

Because of the violence, paramilitary forces in Sindh were told to "shoot on sight" anyone causing civil disturbances, a spokesman for the Pakistan Rangers said.

But by Friday morning, Pakistani media reported an uneasy calm had spread across the shaken country, now marking a three-day period of mourning declared by President Pervez Musharraf.

Bhutto led Pakistan from 1988-1990 and 1993-96, but both times the sitting president dismissed her amid corruption allegations. She was the first female prime minister of any Islamic nation.

A terror attack targeting her motorcade in Karachi in October killed 136 people on the day she returned to Pakistan after eight years of self-imposed exile.

Bhutto had been critical of what she believed was a lack of effort by President Musharraf (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Pervez_Musharraf)'s government to protect her. http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/interactive.gifView timeline » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Pakistan%3A+Fractured+skull+killed+Bhutto+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=25593230&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2007%2FWORLD%2Fasia pcf%2F12%2F28%2Fpakistan.friday%2Findex.html&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCOther1)

simuvac
12-28-2007, 06:17 PM
This part is interesting to me, in terms of 9/11:

Cheema said the government had an intelligence intercept in which an al Qaeda militant "congratulated his people for carrying out this cowardly act."


Within moments of this assassination, the ISI picks up chatter of an al Qaeda confession.

Yet, with 9/11, the CIA picked up nothing of the sort until the army allegedly found the Bin Laden confession video in Afghanistan. And, on the contrary, Bin Laden denied complicity with 9/11 on three occasions.

I guess I still find it odd that: (a) Bin Laden tried to distance himself from what should have been his life's magnum opus; and now (b) we have an example of a much lesser form of terrorism being exposed by celebratory chatter within 24 hours of the crime.

Maybe one is lying. Maybe both. But this recent incident reminds me of the absence of a confession following 9/11. On almost every other occasion, "al Qaeda" confesses to the crime almost immediately (or, as in this case, is in some sense "caught" immediately; though, no, I don't believe Bhutto was killed by al Qaeda).

simuvac
12-28-2007, 06:23 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/bhutto.photographer/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

According to this photographer covering Bhutto's assassination, he heard 3 shots fired after she appeared in the sun roof.

The Pakistani government explanation sounds like bullshit. Definitely snipers here.

simuvac
12-28-2007, 06:25 PM
"the shots were immediately followed by the explosion"

AuGmENTor
12-28-2007, 07:38 PM
(AuGmENTor: I was kinda waiting for this. I KNEW this would get pinned on the AWFUL terrorists.)

Pakistan: Al-Qaida behind Bhutto killing


By MUNIR AHMED, Associated Press Writer 18 minutes ago


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's government asserted Friday that al-Qaida was behind the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, and offered the transcript from a phone tap as proof. Hundreds of thousands mobbed her funeral as the army tried to quell rioting elsewhere that left 27 dead.



President Pervez Musharraf's government also said Bhutto was not killed by gunshots or shrapnel as originally claimed. Instead, it said her skull was shattered by the force of a suicide bomb blast that slammed her against a lever in her car's sunroof.

The new explanations were part of a rapidly evolving political crisis triggered by the death of Bhutto, Musharraf's most powerful foe in the elections. The rioting by Bhutto's furious supporters raised concerns that this nuclear-armed nation, plagued by chaos and the growing threat from Islamic militants even before the killing, was in danger of spinning out of control.

Pentagon officials said Friday they have seen nothing to give them any worries about the security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.

While many grieving Pakistanis turned to violence, hundreds of thousands paid their last respects to the popular opposition leader as she was placed beside her father in a marble mausoleum in the Bhutto ancestral village in southern Sindh province.

"I don't know what will happen to the country now," said mourner Nazakat Soomro, 32.

The government said it would hunt down those responsible for her death in the lawless tribal areas along the Afghan border where Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders are thought to be hiding.

"They will definitely be brought to justice," Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema said.

The government released a transcript Friday of a purported conversation between militant leader Baitullah Mehsud and another militant.

"It was a spectacular job. They were very brave boys who killed her," Mehsud said, according to the transcript. The government did not release an audiotape.

Cheema described Mehsud as an al-Qaida leader who was also behind most other recent terror attacks in Pakistan, including the Karachi bomb blast in October against Bhutto that killed more than 140 people.

Mehsud is thought to be the commander of pro-Taliban forces in the tribal region of South Waziristan, where al-Qaida fighters are also active.

In the transcript, Mehsud gives his location as Makin, a town in South Waziristan.

This fall, he was quoted in a Pakistani newspaper as saying that he would welcome Bhutto's return from exile with suicide bombers. Mehsud later denied that in statements to local television and newspaper reporters.

Cheema announced the formation of two inquiries into Bhutto's death, one to be carried out by a high court judge and another by security forces. Bhutto was assassinated Thursday evening after a rally in the garrison city of Rawalpindi near Islamabad. Twenty other people also died in the attack.

On Thursday, authorities had said Bhutto died from bullet wounds fired by a young man who then blew himself up. A surgeon who treated her, however, said Friday she died from the impact of shrapnel on her skull.

But later Friday, Cheema said those two accounts were mistaken. He said all three shots missed her as she greeted supporters through the sunroof of her vehicle, which was bulletproof and bombproof.

He also denied that shrapnel caused her death, saying Bhutto was killed when she tried to duck back into the vehicle, and that the shock waves from the blast knocked her head into a lever attached to the sunroof, fracturing her skull. The government released a photograph showing blood on the lever.

Denying charges the government failed to give her adequate security protection, Cheema said it was Bhutto who made herself vulnerable and pointed out that the other passengers inside Bhutto's bombproof vehicle were fine.

"I wish she had not come out of the rooftop of her vehicle," he said.

Bhutto's death sparked deadly rioting that killed at least 27 people, according to an Interior Ministry official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

Rioters in the southern city of Karachi torched 500 vehicles, 13 banks, seven gas stations and two police stations, police chief Azhar Farooqi said. The violence killed 13 people, including five workers in a garment factory that was set ablaze, police said. A shootout between rioters and police wounded three officers, police said.

Another six people died from suffocation in Mirpurkhas, about 200 miles northeast of Karachi, when a bank building was set on fire, said Ghulam Mohammed Mohtaram, the top civilian security official in Sindh province.

About 7,000 people in the central city of Multan ransacked seven banks and a gas station and threw stones at police, who responded with tear gas. Media reports said 200 banks were attacked nationwide.

Vandals also burned 10 railway stations and several trains across Sindh province, forcing the suspension of all train service between Karachi and the eastern Punjab province, said Mir Mohammed Khaskheli, a senior railroad official.

An Associated Press reporter saw nine cars of a train completely burned. Witnesses said all the passengers were pulled out before the train was torched.

Desperate to quell the violence, the government sent troops into the streets of Hyderabad, Karachi and other areas in Sindh. In Hyderabad, the soldiers refused to let people out of their homes, witnesses said.

The army readied 20 battalions of troops for deployment across Sindh if they were needed to stop the violence, according to a military statement.

"We will sternly deal with those who are trying to create disorder," Cheema said.

Paramilitary rangers were also given the authority to use live fire to stop rioters from damaging property in the region, said Maj. Asad Ali, the rangers' spokesman.

"We have orders to shoot on sight," he said.

Many cities were nearly deserted as businesses closed and public transportation came to a halt at the start of three days of national mourning for Bhutto.

Prime Minister Mohammedmian Soomro said the government had no immediate plans to postpone Jan. 8 parliamentary elections, despite the violence and the decision by Nawaz Sharif, another opposition leader, to boycott the poll.

"Right now the elections stand where they were," he told a news conference.

The United States, which sees Pakistan as a crucial ally in the war on terror, was counting on Musharraf to proceed with the vote in the hope it will cement steps toward restoring democracy after the six-week state of emergency he declared last month.

Keeping the election on track was the biggest immediate concern in sustaining an American policy of promoting stability, moderation and democracy in Pakistan, U.S. officials said Friday.

Bhutto's death left her populist party without a clear successor. Her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, who was freed in December 2004 after eight years in detention on graft charges, is one contender to head the party although he lacks the cachet of a blood relative from the Bhutto clan's political dynasty.

Throughout the day, hundreds of thousands of mourners arrived in Bhutto's hometown of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh in tractors, buses, cars and jeeps for her funeral cortege and burial.

Bhutto's plain wood coffin, draped in the red, green and black flag of her Pakistan People's Party, was carried in a white ambulance toward the marble mausoleum about three miles away, passing a burning passenger train on the way.

___

Associated Press reporter Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

AuGmENTor
12-28-2007, 07:39 PM
On a side note, I had a flat today. Guess who I think was behind it?