Gold9472
07-02-2009, 09:03 PM
A "Working Relationship" To Fund, Train, And Use Terrorists For Terrorist Activities?
Jon Gold
7/2/2009
Yesterday, something very interesting was reported on. However, before I tell you about it, I have a few things to say. Over the years, I have promoted information regarding the Pakistani ISI's connection to "Al-Qaeda" and "terrorism." I get a lot of flack for this, and am portrayed as someone who wants to see Pakistan and all Muslims killed. I am also portrayed as someone that doesn't want to expose Israel's alleged role in the 9/11 attacks. This is simply not true. Here's an article (http://visibility911.com/jongold/?p=33) I wrote about Ray McGovern and Israel on 5/7/2006. I added an introduction to address this issue. Another article I wrote addressed the "I want all Muslims killed" argument. In that I said, "you may have seen me say on occasion that 9/11 was not a Zionist crime, not a Muslim crime, not an American crime, etc... but a crime, and should be treated as such. A horrible crime took place on 9/11. 2,973 people were brutally murdered. When it first happened, our "leaders" told us it was an "act of war." It wasn't. It was a crime. Carried out by men. Those men may have been American. They may have been Saudi Arabian. They may have been Pakistani. They may have been Israeli. They may have been Muslim. They may have been Jewish. They may have been Episcopalian. It doesn't matter. No nationality or religion committed the crimes of 9/11. Men did. Men who should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If any of the men involved in the 9/11 attacks were apart of any nationality or religion, does that mean you should blame every single person that belongs to that nationality or religion? OF COURSE NOT!" I also think the U.S. should stop immediately with their illegal bombing of Pakistan. Ok, now that I have gotten that out of the way, yesterday's news...
"A senior member of the Jundullah terrorist group (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97191&postcount=1) says that the group has been trained and financed by "the US and Zionists".
Abdolhamid Rigi, the brother of Jundullah leader Abdolmalek Rigi made the remarks in a court session held in the southeastern city of Zahedan on Wednesday.
Abdolhamid Rigi was among the thirteen members of the Jundullah who were accused of terrorist activities, Fars news agency reported.The Tehran Times reports (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97192&postcount=2) that "Abdulhamid Rigi told Press TV that since 2005, his brother had repeatedly met with U.S. agents in Islamabad and Karachi and communicated with them through a common link."
Now, I realize that "debunkers" will probably say "the Tehran Times? HA! You put your trust in an Iranian news outlet? TRAITOR!!!"
However, now comes the interesting part.
On 4/3/2007, Brian Ross and Christopher Isham of ABCNews report (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=78743&postcount=1):
"A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.
The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran."
[...]
Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.Nightline ran a segment about this story. I don't have a video of it, but I did shell out $14.95 for the transcript (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=78783&postcount=6). :)
Notice my original comment in that thread? "Interesting how they specifically say no funding is being provided to them."
On 5/22/2007, ABC reports (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80593&postcount=1) that "U.S. officials deny any "direct funding" of Jundullah groups but say the leader of Jundullah was in regular contact with U.S. officials. American intelligence sources say Jundullah has received money and weapons through the Afghanistan and Pakistan military and Pakistan's intelligence service. Pakistan has officially denied any connection."
On 5/27/2007, the Telegraph reported (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html) that, "the CIA is giving arms-length support, supplying money and weapons, to an Iranian militant group, Jundullah, which has conducted raids into Iran from bases in Pakistan."
So, what is probably happening is that the CIA is giving money to Jundallah "through the Afghanistan and Pakistan military and Pakistan's intelligence service." Or, the Pakistani ISI.
If what Abdolhamid Rigi says is true, that would prove a working relationship between the Bush Administration, specifically Cheney, the CIA, and the Pakistani ISI, existed. A working relationship for the express purpose of funding, manipulating and using a "terrorist" organization in order to carry out terrorist attacks.
I have tried speaking to Dennis Lormel (http://www.911blogger.com/node/16927) about the $100,000 wire transfer to Mohammed Atta, and have not been successful. Since that article was written, I have tried contacting him again, and have gotten no reply.
If there was a "working relationship" as I described, then suddenly the ISI's alleged involvement with 9/11, and all of those meetings that took place between Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed and our elected officials, become a really important issue in my mind. Moreso than they already were.
That is, of course, my opinion.
On 12/8/2008, on a whim, I did a search for the word "Jundullah" on google news. I took a snapshot of what I found.
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/jundullah.jpg
I don't think Cheney is incompetent.
Jon Gold
7/2/2009
Yesterday, something very interesting was reported on. However, before I tell you about it, I have a few things to say. Over the years, I have promoted information regarding the Pakistani ISI's connection to "Al-Qaeda" and "terrorism." I get a lot of flack for this, and am portrayed as someone who wants to see Pakistan and all Muslims killed. I am also portrayed as someone that doesn't want to expose Israel's alleged role in the 9/11 attacks. This is simply not true. Here's an article (http://visibility911.com/jongold/?p=33) I wrote about Ray McGovern and Israel on 5/7/2006. I added an introduction to address this issue. Another article I wrote addressed the "I want all Muslims killed" argument. In that I said, "you may have seen me say on occasion that 9/11 was not a Zionist crime, not a Muslim crime, not an American crime, etc... but a crime, and should be treated as such. A horrible crime took place on 9/11. 2,973 people were brutally murdered. When it first happened, our "leaders" told us it was an "act of war." It wasn't. It was a crime. Carried out by men. Those men may have been American. They may have been Saudi Arabian. They may have been Pakistani. They may have been Israeli. They may have been Muslim. They may have been Jewish. They may have been Episcopalian. It doesn't matter. No nationality or religion committed the crimes of 9/11. Men did. Men who should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If any of the men involved in the 9/11 attacks were apart of any nationality or religion, does that mean you should blame every single person that belongs to that nationality or religion? OF COURSE NOT!" I also think the U.S. should stop immediately with their illegal bombing of Pakistan. Ok, now that I have gotten that out of the way, yesterday's news...
"A senior member of the Jundullah terrorist group (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97191&postcount=1) says that the group has been trained and financed by "the US and Zionists".
Abdolhamid Rigi, the brother of Jundullah leader Abdolmalek Rigi made the remarks in a court session held in the southeastern city of Zahedan on Wednesday.
Abdolhamid Rigi was among the thirteen members of the Jundullah who were accused of terrorist activities, Fars news agency reported.The Tehran Times reports (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97192&postcount=2) that "Abdulhamid Rigi told Press TV that since 2005, his brother had repeatedly met with U.S. agents in Islamabad and Karachi and communicated with them through a common link."
Now, I realize that "debunkers" will probably say "the Tehran Times? HA! You put your trust in an Iranian news outlet? TRAITOR!!!"
However, now comes the interesting part.
On 4/3/2007, Brian Ross and Christopher Isham of ABCNews report (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=78743&postcount=1):
"A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.
The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran."
[...]
Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.Nightline ran a segment about this story. I don't have a video of it, but I did shell out $14.95 for the transcript (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=78783&postcount=6). :)
Notice my original comment in that thread? "Interesting how they specifically say no funding is being provided to them."
On 5/22/2007, ABC reports (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80593&postcount=1) that "U.S. officials deny any "direct funding" of Jundullah groups but say the leader of Jundullah was in regular contact with U.S. officials. American intelligence sources say Jundullah has received money and weapons through the Afghanistan and Pakistan military and Pakistan's intelligence service. Pakistan has officially denied any connection."
On 5/27/2007, the Telegraph reported (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html) that, "the CIA is giving arms-length support, supplying money and weapons, to an Iranian militant group, Jundullah, which has conducted raids into Iran from bases in Pakistan."
So, what is probably happening is that the CIA is giving money to Jundallah "through the Afghanistan and Pakistan military and Pakistan's intelligence service." Or, the Pakistani ISI.
If what Abdolhamid Rigi says is true, that would prove a working relationship between the Bush Administration, specifically Cheney, the CIA, and the Pakistani ISI, existed. A working relationship for the express purpose of funding, manipulating and using a "terrorist" organization in order to carry out terrorist attacks.
I have tried speaking to Dennis Lormel (http://www.911blogger.com/node/16927) about the $100,000 wire transfer to Mohammed Atta, and have not been successful. Since that article was written, I have tried contacting him again, and have gotten no reply.
If there was a "working relationship" as I described, then suddenly the ISI's alleged involvement with 9/11, and all of those meetings that took place between Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed and our elected officials, become a really important issue in my mind. Moreso than they already were.
That is, of course, my opinion.
On 12/8/2008, on a whim, I did a search for the word "Jundullah" on google news. I took a snapshot of what I found.
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/jundullah.jpg
I don't think Cheney is incompetent.