Bush and Cheney Indicted?

[somebigguy]

From Here: http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=3143&sid=858006e33ca7ff30486f1256862a07e0

A Chicago grand jury has indicted the President and Vice-President of the United States along with multiple high officials in the Bush administration

Chicago -- August 2, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.

There were no indications given as to whether the President and his top staff members would appear publicly before cameras at the grand jury proceedings, given the gravity of the charges.

Besides the Valerie Plame CIA leak case, the Fitzgerald probe is reportedly far-reaching and expanding much deeper into past White House criminal acts involving Bush-Clinton drug money laundering in Mena, Arkansas to White House involvement in 9.11; but also for sending America's young people to their deaths or to be maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair was indicted for obstruction of justice and is reportedly consulting with members of Parliament and legal aides regarding how to avoid appearing in the U.S.A. for interrogation before Fitzgerald in Chicago.

The revelations emanated from sources close to the grand jury who spoke with federal whistleblower Thomas Heneghen in California who said White House Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove was also indicted for perjury and was reportedly involved with Mary Matalin in a major Bush administration document shredding operation to cover-up evidence.

Heneghen had reported over ten days ago on a TruthRadio.com broadcast that his sources close to the grand jury said former Secretary of State Colin Powell had been subpoenaed and had testified against President Bush, telling the citizen panel that the President had taken the United States to war based upon lies--a capital crime involving treason under the United States Code.

Heneghen also reported a week ago that Gonzalez and Card had been subpoened and that Tony Blair had defied his subpoena after the response time limit had expired.

Sources close to the investigation report that members of the House, Senate, 9.11 Commission and other members of the media are also under investigation as potential targets by a grand jury regarding obstruction of justice and other oversight failures linked to the 9.11 attacks--indicating that citizen panelists working with Fitzgerald may be seeking a wholesale cleansing of what many have said is a crime-wracked White House and Congress.

Also last Monday, the whistleblower reported that Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts was planning to obstruct justice by calling Fitzgerald for Senate hearings to question the prosecutor's motives for the far-reaching investigation.

This, giving rise to questions as to whether Roberts and other Republican legislators--some now under secret investigation--would join President Bush in seeking to fire Fitzgerald in the same manner that President Nixon had fired Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in order to obstruct justice and cut off further investigations into White House crimes.

Two weeks ago Heneghen said he had talked to sources just ten minutes prior to French and U.S. intelligence agents intercepting British intelligence agents who were attempting to bomb the subway underneath the Dirksen Federal Building where Fitzgerald was presiding over grand jury hearings.

Serious questions can also be raised as to whether intelligence forces linked to President Bush and Tony Blair had participated in a failed attempt to scuttle the Fitzgerald probe by literally blowing it up--at a time when UK reports reveal that military-grade explosives were used to blow up the London subway on July 7.

Sources say the alleged Chicago subway bombing attempt has been attributed to an underground and closeted enmity involving warring intelligence and military factions within the United States government.

Moreover, reports indicate that the disturbance occurred at the same time that the Chicago Tribune and local web blogs had reported that the subway had been evacuated for 45-50 minutes regarding a "suspicious package" late on Monday afternoon, July 18.

Also confirming the under-the-radar-screen hostilities involving agents loyal to the administration and others who are disturbed about the cover-up of government involvement in the 9.11 attacks was a recent contact made with this writer by a major New York media outlet which called seeking "names of those who could confirm its own reports of warring factions within the government which were threatening the safety of U.S. citizens."

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[Gold9472]

Bush And Cheney Indicted

http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=3150#3150

(Gold9472: I have not had a chance to verify any of the information in this story. Please take this with a grain of salt. I will make some phone calls later, and try to verify.)

By Tom Flocco
8/2/2005

A Chicago grand jury has indicted the President and Vice-President of the United States along with multiple high officials in the Bush administration

Chicago -- August 2, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.

There were no indications given as to whether the President and his top staff members would appear publicly before cameras at the grand jury proceedings, given the gravity of the charges.

Besides the Valerie Plame CIA leak case, the Fitzgerald probe is reportedly far-reaching and expanding much deeper into past White House criminal acts involving Bush-Clinton drug money laundering in Mena, Arkansas to White House involvement in 9.11; but also for sending America's young people to their deaths or to be maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair was indicted for obstruction of justice and is reportedly consulting with members of Parliament and legal aides regarding how to avoid appearing in the U.S.A. for interrogation before Fitzgerald in Chicago.

The revelations emanated from sources close to the grand jury who spoke with federal whistleblower Thomas Heneghen in California who said White House Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove was also indicted for perjury and was reportedly involved with Mary Matalin in a major Bush administration document shredding operation to cover-up evidence.

Heneghen had reported over ten days ago on a TruthRadio.com broadcast that his sources close to the grand jury said former Secretary of State Colin Powell had been subpoenaed and had testified against President Bush, telling the citizen panel that the President had taken the United States to war based upon lies--a capital crime involving treason under the United States Code.

Heneghen also reported a week ago that Gonzalez and Card had been subpoened and that Tony Blair had defied his subpoena after the response time limit had expired.

Sources close to the investigation report that members of the House, Senate, 9.11 Commission and other members of the media are also under investigation as potential targets by a grand jury regarding obstruction of justice and other oversight failures linked to the 9.11 attacks--indicating that citizen panelists working with Fitzgerald may be seeking a wholesale cleansing of what many have said is a crime-wracked White House and Congress.

Also last Monday, the whistleblower reported that Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts was planning to obstruct justice by calling Fitzgerald for Senate hearings to question the prosecutor's motives for the far-reaching investigation.

This, giving rise to questions as to whether Roberts and other Republican legislators--some now under secret investigation--would join President Bush in seeking to fire Fitzgerald in the same manner that President Nixon had fired Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in order to obstruct justice and cut off further investigations into White House crimes.

Two weeks ago Heneghen said he had talked to sources just ten minutes prior to French and U.S. intelligence agents intercepting British intelligence agents who were attempting to bomb the subway underneath the Dirksen Federal Building where Fitzgerald was presiding over grand jury hearings.

Serious questions can also be raised as to whether intelligence forces linked to President Bush and Tony Blair had participated in a failed attempt to scuttle the Fitzgerald probe by literally blowing it up--at a time when UK reports reveal that military-grade explosives were used to blow up the London subway on July 7.

Sources say the alleged Chicago subway bombing attempt has been attributed to an underground and closeted enmity involving warring intelligence and military factions within the United States government.

Moreover, reports indicate that the disturbance occurred at the same time that the Chicago Tribune and local web blogs had reported that the subway had been evacuated for 45-50 minutes regarding a "suspicious package" late on Monday afternoon, July 18.

Also confirming the under-the-radar-screen hostilities involving agents loyal to the administration and others who are disturbed about the cover-up of government involvement in the 9.11 attacks was a recent contact made with this writer by a major New York media outlet which called seeking "names of those who could confirm its own reports of warring factions within the government which were threatening the safety of U.S. citizens."

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[Gold9472]

From Wayne Madsen

Total BS,

The Grand Jury is sitting in Washington DC, not Chicago. The Grand Jury cannot indict the Pres or VP, that would be handled by Congress through impeachment. Ex-Pres/VPs can be indicted. This Flocco guy is eating some bad (or maybe some rather good) mushrooms!

[dz]

i spent about 2 hours looking into this mess this morning.. first off, fitzgerald's office is in chicago according to this article:
http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Aug/20040806News018.asp

now where they are holding this grand jury i dont know, nor do i know if he is residing in DC all the time or what.. in any event, here is the research i did this morning which i also posted to tomflocco's forum:


I thought I would try to add something worthwhile to this topic. I wish we could validate the stuff in this article, but apparently we just have to wait and see.

In any event, here is some background information..

The address of the 'Dirksen Federal Building', where Fitzgerald works, is:
219 S. Dearborn Street Chicago, IL 60604

The intersection where the subway in Chicago was evacuated was:
E Roosevelt Rd & S State St, Chicago, IL 60605


The article that mentioned this evacuation was the Chicago Tribune. The article has since been removed from their website. The origional link was:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/redeye/chi-050719cta,1,7481493.story?coll=chi-news-hed

You can find the text of this article backed up on this guy's blog:
http://johnsbracken.blogspot.com/2005/07/red-line-shut-for-suspicious-package.html

You can prove that the article was actually run but then later removed by running this search on news.google.com:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=A+report+of+a+suspicious+package+left+on+the+pla tform+of+the+CTA+Red+Line+station+at+Roosevelt+Roa d+and+State+Street+&btnG=Search+News

You can see where this federal building is in relations to the 'red line' of the Chicago subway on this map here (look in the center of the big oval for a building labeled 'Federal Center' at the intersection of Adams and Dearborn - blue line is on that street):
http://www.transitchicago.com/maps/maps/F2004D.html

You can get a much better feel for all of this by getting Google Earth from here:
http://earth.google.com/

In google earth you can turn on the 'Transit - Local Rail' layer and see exactly where the blue and red subway lines run relative to the evacuation point and the federal building addresses. from what i can tell the evacuation was on the red line as reported, and the federal building is over the blue line, but somewhat close to the red line.

hope that helps for anyone trying to research this stuff.

i dont know what to make of this mess, but it sounds like these ppl are just making up crap and writing their own 'news'.

[princesskittypoo]

is this real??? i haven't been watching or reading the news this week. they actually did something? wow.

[Gold9472]

Yeah... you would think there would be SOME mention of the Grand Jury reaching a decision.

[dz]

is this real??? i haven't been watching or reading the news this week. they actually did something? wow.

this isn't reputable 'news' per say, at this point it is speculation and cant really be judged for its validity. i am writing it off until i hear more.

[Gold9472]

This is a fabrication. It's a shame to. I've stayed away from Tom Flocco's site for the last 6 months or so... since he started partnering with Phil Jayhan & Friends... I did like his coverage of Sibel Edmonds, and Mary Schneider, but his Karl Schwarz, Tom Heneghan, Stew Webb nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

[somebigguy]

Bummer, I was hoping today was the big day.

[jetsetlemming]

Bah, it's not going to happen. At least, not while Bush is pres.

[aceace]

Alex Jones is on coast 2 coast right now and he says Flocco story BS

[dz]

Alex Jones is on coast 2 coast right now and he says Flocco story BS

hey cool, i guess i wasnt the only one listening ;)

[Gold9472]

Alex Jones is on coast 2 coast right now and he says Flocco story BS

You heard it here first.

[dz]

You heard it here first.

actually no, i added it to my comments on my blog the second he said it.

:dncdick:

[Gold9472]

actually no, i added it to my comments on my blog the second he said it.

:dncdick:

Uh, no... you heard it was BULLSHIT here first...

[somebigguy]

Maybe there is still hope:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/30722.htm

Federal Whistle Blower Claims Chicago Grand Jury Indicted Bush And Others For Perjury and Obstruction Of Justice; U.S. Attorney's Office Says 'No Comment,' Refusing To Confirm Or Deny Alleged Indictments
Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation into the Valerie Plame-CIA leak has now spilled over into Bush administration lies involving 9/11 and the war in Iraq, according to sources close to the Chicago probe.
August 2, 2005

By Greg Szymanski

Sources close to the Chicago federal grand jury probe into perjury and obstruction charges against President Bush and others said indictments were handed down this week, but a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Northern District of Illinois refused to comment.

“We are not talking about any aspect of this case and our office is not commenting on anything regarding the investigation at this time,” said Randall Sanborn from the office of U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, the attorney conducting the grand jury probe into whether Bush and others in his administration violated federal law in a number of sensitive areas, including the Valerie Plame CIA leak case, involvement in 9/11 and the illegal nature of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In December 2003, Fitzgerald was named Special Counsel to investigate the alleged disclosure of the identity of who leaked information in the Plame case, but the present grand jury probe has expanded to include the wide-reaching crime allegations as new information surfaced.

Although the U.S. Attorney’s office in Chicago is staying silent, it is well known that Fitzgerald is digging deep into an assortment of serious improprieties among many Bush administration figures based, in part, on subpoenaed testimony provided by former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

According to federal whistleblower Tom Heneghen, who recently reported on www.truthradio.com, Powell testified before the citizen grand jury that President Bush had taken the U.S. to war illegally based on lies, which is a capital crime involving treason under the U.S. Code.

“Regarding the Powell testimony, there is no comment,” said Sanborn.

However, sources close to the federal grade jury probe also allegedly told Heneghen a host of administration figures besides Bush were also indicted, including Vice-President Richard Cheney, Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.

Heneghen, unavailable for comment and first reported by internet reporter Tom Flocco, allegedly also told sources White House Advisor Karl Rove was indicted for perjury in a major document shredding operation cover-up and that Prime Minister Tony Blair was also indicted for obstruction of justice charges.

Heneghen also claimed that Blair failed to honor a subpoena issued by Fitzpatrick and is now consulting with British legal counsel on how to avoid appearing in Chicago.

In recent weeks, there has been much controversy over Fitzgerald’s wide reaching probe which is extending far beyond the Bush administration to include what some have called “a wholesale cleansing” of a crime-laden White House and Congress.

Fitzgerald’s investigation is said to be also centered on members of the 9/11 Commission, members on both sides of the isle in the House and Senate and also select high-powered members of the media.

Needless to say, members close to the administration are ‘fighting mad” with Fitzgerald and reports on Capital Hill are that Senate intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts is trying to derail Fitzgerald’s probe by calling him to testify before the Senate regarding his true motives behind the investigation.

Political observers are now wondering whether administration-friendly Republican legislators, some under investigation themselves, are conspiring like President Nixon did in Watergate with Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox, attempting to fire Fitzgerald in the same manner in order to cool the heat on further investigations into Bush administration crimes.

Last week, other sources close to the investigation said the recent bomb scare in the subway under the Dirksen Federal Building, coincidently near where Fitzgerald was holding his grand jury hearings, raised serious questions as to whether government operatives loyal to Bush were sending the zealous prosecutor a “warning message” that he was entering murky waters with the extent of his investigation.

The bomb scare was reported to local police late Monday afternoon, July 18, causing the subway to be evacuated for approximately 45 minutes while bomb sniffing dogs and swat team members searched for what was reported to be “a suspicious package” left on one of the subway cars.

Besides Fitzgerald’s probe into Bush administration lies relating to 9/11, the war in Iraq and the CIA-Valerie Plame leaks, he is also looking into a huge drug money laundering operation involving both the Clinton and Bush administrations with ties reaching all the way to Arkansas.

Fitzgerald began serving as the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois in September, 2001. He was initially appointed on an interim basis by former Attorney General John Ashcroft before being nominated by President Bush.

The U.S. Senate confirmed his nomination by unanimous consent in October 2001. In December 2003, he was named Special Counsel to investigate the CIA- Valerie Plame case.

[Gold9472]

I just saw this, and forwarded it to a few people...

[Gold9472]

From Wayne Madsen...

He's recycling that awful Flocco story.... I wonder why these guys can't get it straight? The Grand Jury is sitting at the Prettyman Federal Court House in DC. There is no connection at all to Chicago in this case. But then again, this could be a Rove disinformation gambit designed to cloak everything in some nutty conspiracy story.

[somebigguy]

I notice Greg Szymanski is writing a lot of articles lately. Its great someone is willing to write about this stuff,however, we need someone else to write a few articles too. We can't base everything we do on one journalist.

[Gold9472]

I notice Greg Szymanski is writing a lot of articles lately. Its great someone is willing to write about this stuff,however, we need someone else to write a few articles too. We can't base everything we do on one journalist.

We need someone to write articles that are truthful...

[Gold9472]

I asked Wayne Madsen to write why this story is not true... here's what he gave me...

The CIA leak grand jury is sitting in Washington, DC. The grand jury is under the control of the U.S. District Court for DC. The grand jury meets in a highly secure court room at the E. Barrett Prettyman Federal Courthouse in DC. The court that heard the Cooper-Miller appeal is the US Court of Appeals for DC. Judge Thomas Hogan of the US District Court for DC is not in Chicago. US District Court Chief Judge Norma Holloway Johnson, who was also involved in the Grand Jury, is not in Chicago. Judge Tatel of the Appeals Court who said the charges in the case are very serious, is not in Chicago. Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is detailed from the US Attorney for Northern Illinois (Chicago) to the Justice Department. On the CIA leak case, he works at the Courts in DC, not in Chicago. Also, the prosecutor cannot constitutionally indict a sitting President or Vice President. That is handled by Congress through impeachment.

[beltman713]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=3421



Bush and Cheney Indicted?
TomFlocco.com – August 2, 2005

We post this but note: the powers that be are growing increasingly concerned over the independent Internet and, in an attempt to discredit it and reduce its growing influence, are starting to disseminate false reports. The report below may be one such, or it may not be, we have recieved a number of conflicting emails over this story. But like an earlier Sorcha Faal article (http://whatdoesitmean.com/index790.htm) , which had already been posted on this website and which was removed shortly thereafter, these reports serve to underline the increasingly fierce political debate on the Internet.

However, these conflicting reports can also be used to advantage.

We live in "interesting times" and the news item below is a prime example. By discerning if it a hoax or not, you can sharpen your perception and learn by discrimination (and we don't mean racial discrimination, which is one reason why the term "discrimination" is so often used pejoratively in the mainstream media. It's a veiled way of saying, "don't discern, don't think for yourself. Just obey"). So is it true or is it false? You decide and see if you can spot how the deception works. For example, it plays to people's desire. A lot of people want to see Bush and Cheney indicted and this report plays to that and in pandering to that desire, works to undermine the credibility of independent news websites. Ed.

Bush and Cheney Indicted
TomFlocco.com – August 2, 2005

U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.

There were no indications given as to whether the President and his top staff members would appear publicly before cameras at the grand jury proceedings, given the gravity of the charges.

Besides the Valerie Plame CIA leak case, the Fitzgerald probe is reportedly far-reaching and expanding much deeper into past White House criminal acts involving Bush-Clinton drug money laundering in Mena, Arkansas to White House involvement in 9.11; but also for sending America's young people to their deaths or to be maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair was indicted for obstruction of justice and is reportedly consulting with members of Parliament and legal aides regarding how to avoid appearing in the U.S.A. for interrogation before Fitzgerald in Chicago.

The revelations emanated from sources close to the grand jury who spoke with federal whistleblower Thomas Heneghen in California who said White House Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove was also indicted for perjury and was reportedly involved with Mary Matalin in a major Bush administration document shredding operation to cover-up evidence.

Heneghen had reported over ten days ago on a TruthRadio.com broadcast that his sources close to the grand jury said former Secretary of State Colin Powell had been subpoenaed and had testified against President Bush, telling the citizen panel that the President had taken the United States to war based upon lies--a capital crime involving treason under the United States Code.

Heneghen also reported a week ago that Gonzalez and Card had been subpoened and that Tony Blair had defied his subpoena after the response time limit had expired.

Sources close to the investigation report that members of the House, Senate, 9.11 Commission and other members of the media are also under investigation as potential targets by a grand jury regarding obstruction of justice and other oversight failures linked to the 9.11 attacks--indicating that citizen panelists working with Fitzgerald may be seeking a wholesale cleansing of what many have said is a crime-wracked White House and Congress.

Also last Monday, the whistleblower reported that Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts was planning to obstruct justice by calling Fitzgerald for Senate hearings to question the prosecutor's motives for the far-reaching investigation.

This, giving rise to questions as to whether Roberts and other Republican legislators--some now under secret investigation--would join President Bush in seeking to fire Fitzgerald in the same manner that President Nixon had fired Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in order to obstruct justice and cut off further investigations into White House crimes.

Two weeks ago Heneghen said he had talked to sources just ten minutes prior to French and U.S. intelligence agents intercepting British intelligence agents who were attempting to bomb the subway underneath the Dirksen Federal Building where Fitzgerald was presiding over grand jury hearings.

Serious questions can also be raised as to whether intelligence forces linked to President Bush and Tony Blair had participated in a failed attempt to scuttle the Fitzgerald probe by literally blowing it up--at a time when UK reports reveal that military-grade explosives were used to blow up the London subway on July 7.

Sources say the alleged Chicago subway bombing attempt has been attributed to an underground and closeted enmity involving warring intelligence and military factions within the United States government.

Moreover, reports indicate that the disturbance occurred at the same time that the Chicago Tribune and local web blogs had reported that the subway had been evacuated for 45-50 minutes regarding a "suspicious package" late on Monday afternoon, July 18.

Also confirming the under-the-radar-screen hostilities involving agents loyal to the administration and others who are disturbed about the cover-up of government involvement in the 9.11 attacks was a recent contact made with this writer by a major New York media outlet which called seeking "names of those who could confirm its own reports of warring factions within the government which were threatening the safety of U.S. citizens."

developing.....please link or copy--and distribute widely.

Tom Flocco

[ehnyah]

Journalist Stands By His Story That Bush And Others Indicted But Retracts Story About Potential Firing Of Chicago Special Prosecutor

Investigave reporter released story about the firing of U.S. Federal Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald by mistake over on line mix up with web master.
August 8, 2005

The journalist who first broke the story about President Bush and others being indicted by the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Chicago grand jury stands by his original account, but says a story he released Sunday about the potential firing of Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was a mistake.



?We apologize for the inaccuracy, however, we stand by our on the record source Tom Heneghen and our story reporting that the ?true bill? indictments have been voted out by the Chicago grand jury against a host of Bush administration officials and that Vice President Cheney, President Bush and Secretary of State Condaleeza Rice are aware that boxes of cash left the Phillipines right after 9/11,? said investigative journalist Tom Flocco, one of the first to break the indictment story.



Flocco apologized to readers Monday for his in a statement released on his web site, which had been down for several days for technical reasons. Flocco added the story was inadvertently put on line due to a controversy with his web master over file transfers and other matters.



?The rough working draft about the fired prosecutor should never have ben placed online and was in a batch of files transferred by the new webmaster and was posted by mistake,? said Flocco.



The wide-range of indictments for perjury and obstruction of justice against Bush and other top administration officials, was first reported last week by Flocco, who claimed sources close to the grand jury investigation in Chicago told him indictments had been handed down but not released to the public due to the highly sensitive nature of the charges.



Flocco reported last week that Fitzgerald's grand jury voted out "true bills" or federal criminal indictments against President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former CIA Director George Tenet, Presidential Senior Advisor Karl Rove, Presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Vice-Presidential Chief of Staff I. "Scooter" Libby, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Vice-Presidential Senior Advisor Mary Matalin.



The U.S. Attorney's office in Chicago, through its media spokesman, Randall Sanborn, refused comment on any aspect of the grand jury proceedings, but high-level and credible legal observers claim suppression of grand jury indictments is not unusual, especially when dealing with matters concerning the national interest such as the Nixon indictments during Watergate and now Bush.



Although Flocco is taking considerable heat for running the story, long time Chicago truth-teller and advocate for cleaning up the judicial system, Sherman Skolnick, agreed with Flocco's reporting.



"I have received credible reports from my high-level government sources in Canada, the United States and Europe that the grand juries have concluded their probe and have voted True Bills, Federal Criminal indictments, against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Condoleeza Rice, and Theodore B. Olson and several media people not previously mentioned in the monopoly press as implicated," said Slolnick in a telephone conversation Saturday from his Chicago home.



Skolnick, who has been fighting judicial indiscretion and criminality for over 40 years since the early 1960's, is one of the few men in America who has developed credible sources to back-up what he reports, especially concerning judicial stories taking place right in his own Chicago backyard.





"I expected to be a called a liar on this one for sometime after my story appeared, but the truth will come out," he said regarding a recent article he published verifying indictments have been handed down.



And Skolnick is no ?average Joe or talking head,? since he is probably responsible for putting more crooked lawyers and judges behind bars than any other single American and is still pursuing judicial corruption with vengeance, as founder of his public interest group called Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts.



Recently on his website www.skolnicksreport.com and www.cloakanddagger.de he posted an article titled "Bush and Co. Face Prosecution," where he gave a detailed look at the recent grand jury proceedings going on in Chicago and indictments handed down against Bush.



"One or more of the grand juries have concluded their probe and have voted True Bills, Federal Criminal indictments, against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Condoleeza Rice, and Theodore B. Olson; and several media people not previously mentioned in the monopoly press as implicated," wrote Skolnick.



"Shown also as unindicted co-conspirators are two Judges on the U.S. Supreme Court, William Rehnquist and Antonin Scalia, who are among the "Gang of Five" also in Bush versus Gore. Because of the horrendous consequences involved, the indictments are suppressed and there may be an extended delay until they appear on the Chicago Federal Court open records.



"The substance of the details in this story have been confirmed to us as being true and correct by high government officials, with spotless records, of the U.S., Canada, and Europe. To distract from the impending release of the indictments and the naming of the unindicted co-conspirators, the Bush White House has caused deadly rumors to circulate.



"Such as, that the FBI is tracking in the District of Columbia and elsewhere that certain supposed "terrorists" have suitcase dirty nukes ready to set off in D.C. Such as, that Bush will declare Martial Law and suspend Habeas Corpus, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Such as the U.S. will be wracked with financial and domestic anarchy as Bush seeks asylum in Brazil, or Australia, or elsewhere overseas."



http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31184.htm

[ehnyah]

[From a few days ago-long but interesting]

TREASONGATE: White House Indicted? - US ATTORNEY'S OFFICE "ISSUES" OFFICIAL COMMENT

[UPDATE: August 5th, 2005, 11:10 p.m. EST. There are reports circulating on the internet that Randall Sanborn finally issued an official comment (after the following article was published?) which reversed the US Attorney's original comments to Citizen Spook and others. Citizen Spook has not verified the following comment, nor has it been officially posted by the US Attorney's office. The comment has been reported by Greg Syzmanski, SANBORN: ?We are not talking about any aspect of this case and our office is not commenting on anything regarding the investigation at this time,? said Randall Sanborn from the office of U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald..."]

Citizen Spook has interviewed a representative of Randy Sanborn's office at the Dirksen Federal Courthouse in Chicago where the Fitzgerald investigation is headquartered. Randy Sanborn is the official spokesperson for the US Attorney's Office in the Northern District of Illinois. Sanborn is also the official spokesperson for Patrick Fitzgerald.

It's crucial to ask the right questions, and the right questions need the right words. The political and legal environment we find ourselves in at this strange moment in American history is centered upon the manipulation of citizen perception. We have been asked to endure a President who can say with a straight face, "That depends on what the meaning of is, is." And the current right wing lunatic harbingers of Treason are flogging a defense in the Valerie Plame affair based upon the ridiculous assertion that there's a difference between outing "Valerie Plame" and outing "Joe Wilson's wife".

Because of this environment, it's imperative that those of us in the Blogosphere stay focused for pinpoint accuracy with the questions that we ask, the words we use, and our analysis of the answers we receive.

Yesterday, Tom Flocco published the following headline bombshell, "Bush and Cheney Indicted":

"U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin." http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=846&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

The story spread like wildfire through internet forums. As of last night, I couldn't find an official, "on the record", reply to the story from the US Attorney's Office in the main stream media or anywhere in the Blogosphere.

That made sense, because grand jury proceedings are secret, and without a Judicial Order releasing grand jury results, the US Attorney's Office would not be allowed to comment on what the grand jury has done.

The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure:

"Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure provide that the prosecutor, grand jurors, and the grand jury stenographer are prohibited from disclosing what happened before the grand jury, unless ordered to do so in a judicial proceeding. Secrecy was originally designed to protect the grand jurors from improper pressures. The modern justifications are to prevent the escape of people whose indictment may be contemplated, to ensure that the grand jury is free to deliberate without outside pressure, to prevent subornation of perjury or witness tampering prior to a subsequent trial, to encourage people with information about a crime to speak freely, and to protect the innocent accused from disclosure of the fact that he or she was under investigation." http://www.law.ku.edu/research/frcriIII.htm

The prosecutor is barred from "disclosing what happened before the grand jury, unless ordered to do so in a judicial proceeding." The law does not allow Fitzgerald to comment regardless of whether Indictments have been "returned" or not.

Furthermore, according to the Federal Handbook for Grand Jurors, keeping the proceedings and findings of the Grand Jury secret, "[p]revents the disclosure of investigations that result in no action by the grand jury." http://www.moed.uscourts.gov/Jury/FederalHandbookForGrandJurors.pdf

The US Attorney's office is not allowed to comment about proceedings regardless of outcome.

So I was surprised this morning, when I came across a post at flybynews.com
which contains a statement, alleged to be from the US Attorney's office. Please note that I am not vouching for the credibility of the flybynews.com comment. I have conducted my own interview with the US Attorney's office and will discuss it below, but it was this flybynews.com comment which percolated my curiosity and led me to dig a bit deeper. The flybynews commentary:

"People's Attorney / Volks-Anwalt Wolfram Grätz" <> Leuren Moret wrote:

'I called the US Attorney's office this morning and they had "no comment" but when I asked them when they would announce this to the public they said "we have not issued these indictments". They had a lot of phone calls.' "
http://www.flybynews.com/cgi-local/newspro/viewnews.cgi?newsid1123024424,95688,


Assuming for the moment, that the quote is accurate, the words must be examined carefully in the context of grand jury linguistics and Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (FRCP), which do not empower the US Attorney to "issue" indictments.

So when Randy Sanborn's office released official statements to me this morning, "on the record", which said, "This office has not issued any indictments," and "No Indictments have been issued by this office", the US Attorney was telling the truth, was not in violation of the FRCP secrecy laws, and in no way denied Tom Flocco's report that the "grand jury" has issued indictments.

LEGAL LINGUISTICS

The grand jury and the US Attorney are two separate legal entities with different procedural duties enumerated in the Federal Rules of Crimina Procedure. With respect to indictments, the prosecutor, according to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, is empowered to present "information" or an "indictment" to the grand jury, where the word "indictment"is used as a noun to describe the allegation against the defendant.

If the grand jury finds sufficient evidence that a crime has been commited, the grand jury is empowered to "indict" (a verb) and if the the grand jury indicts, it then "returns an "indictment" or a "true bill". But the indictment returned by the jury is a "finding" whereas the "indictment" (aka "information") presented to the grand jury is an allegation.

It's important to note that there is a legal alchemy which transforms the indictment (or information) presented to the grand jury when the jury votes to "indict" (a verb), and return indictments to the magistrate.

The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rule 7(c)(1) dictates what the prosecutor must present to the grand jury for deliberation:

"In General. The indictment or information must be a plain, concise and definite written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged and must be signed by an attorney for the government..."

Rule 7(c)(1) tells you exactly what the nature of an "indictment" from the prosecutor to the grand jury is. It does not empower the US Attorney to "issue"an "indictment". Please understand that the words "issuance" and "issue" are legal terms of art which are explained clearly in the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

Rule 6(f):

"(f) Indictment and Return. A grand jury may indict only if at least 12 jurors concur. The grand jury--or its foreperson or deputy foreperson--must return the indictment to a magistrate judge in open court. If a complaint or information is pending against the defendant and 12 jurors do not concur in the indictment, the foreperson must promptly and in writing report the lack of concurrence to the magistrate judge."

Please notice that the grand jury, according to Rule 6(f), does not "issue" indictments either. According to the letter of the law, the grand jury "returns" the indictment, not to the US Attorney, but directly to a "magistrate judge in open court."

Additionally, Rule 6(3) states:

"(c) Foreperson and Deputy Foreperson. The court will appoint one juror as the foreperson and another as the deputy foreperson. In the foreperson's absence, the deputy foreperson will act as the foreperson. The foreperson may administer oaths and affirmations and will sign all indictments. The foreperson--or another juror designated by the foreperson--will record the number of jurors concurring in every indictment and will file the record with the clerk, but the record may not be made public unless the court so orders." (emphasis added).

The foreman then signs it but does not return it to the US Attorney. The foreman files the record with the clerk.

The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rule 9(a) defines what the word, "issue" legally means with regard to a Federal grand jury proceeding.

"Rule 9. Arrest Warrant or Summons On an Indictment or Information
(a) Issuance. The court must issue a warrant--or at the government's request, a summons--for each defendant named in an indictment or named in an information if one or more affidavits accompanying the information establish probable cause to believe that an offense has been committed and that the defendant committed it..."

Please note that it is "the court" which issues a "warrant" or a "summons" based upon the grand jury's finding.

The grand jury votes on whether "[t]here is sufficient evidence of probable cause to bring the accused to trial."
http://www.moed.uscourts.gov/Jury/FederalHandbookForGrandJurors.pdf

If the grand jury finds that there is sufficient evidence of probable cause, the grand jury "returns" an "indictment" which is also known as a "true bill", or in the alternative, if there is not sufficient evidence of the crime, the grand jury will return a "not true bill" aka "bill of ignoramus".

It's not legally possible for the US Attorney's Office to "issue" "indictments" when referring to information that a grand jury has voted to "return" "indictments" on. Those "indictments" are "returned" by the grand jury, not the US Attorney.

And just so we're clear, neither the US Attorney or the grand jury, according to the letter of the law, is empowered to "issue" indictments. Rule 9 empowers "the court" to "issue" a "warrant" or "summons".

Flocco's story specifically refers to indictments issued by "Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury". Flocco's story does not address indictments preseneted to the grand jury by Fitzegerald.
The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure are clear.

[ehnyah]

Flocco reported:

"U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration..."

The only problem with Flocco's story is that he should have written, "...Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has returned perjury and obstruction of justice indictments..." Flocco's use of the word "issued" is not legally accurate within the FRCP.

This is not semantics, it's a very important distinction. And if you understand the Federal secrecy laws, you will also understand that the US Attorney's office did not break those laws when it issued their official statement.

Had the US Attorney's office said, "This office has not presented any indictments to the grand jury...", the US Attorney's office could be held in contempt for violating Rule 6(e):

"Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure provide that the prosecutor, grand jurors, and the grand jury stenographer are prohibited from disclosing what happened before the grand jury, unless ordered to do so in a judicial proceeding."

It's clearly stated in the law that the prosecutor is prohibited from disclosing what happened. However, since the US Attorney was asked a question about actions which are a legal fiction, actions they have no power to execute, actions which are not involved in the proceedings before the grand jury, then the US Attorney's office was completely within its legal rights to issue the very specfic statements in question.

I submit to you, that under Rule 6(e), my analysis is the only possible analysis of the US Attorney's statement which would allow them to make such a statement, and I wouldn't be surprised if they cleared the exact wording with a judge.

PROCEDURE - RUNAWAY JURIES

Furthermore, the grand jury can return indictments or true bills of their own initiation. They are not constrained by the indictments or information presented to them by Patrick Fitzgerald. The grand jurors are allowed to ask their own questions and create their own indictments. Grand juries that take the reins like this are sometimes referred to as "runaway grand juries":

"A runaway grand jury is an exception to this rule--the grand jurors ignore the prosecutor(s) and start making their own decisions. Runaway grand juries were not uncommon in the early twentieth century. The best known of these runaway grand juries is probably the New York grand jury in the 1930's that barred prosecutors from coming into the grand jury room and took off on its own investigation of corruption in New York city government. This grand jury eventually cooperated with Thomas E. Dewey, whom the jurors apparently decided they could trust, and returned many indictments against a variety of defendants, including some well known members of the New York Mafia. Since modern grand jurors tend to be ignorant of their ability to act independently of a prosecutor's wishes, runaway grand juries have pretty much become a thing of the past. There have, however, been a few exceptions: Recently, for example, a California state grand jury indicted all the top county officials, and nearly closed down county government. And a Texas state grand jury began investigating a mayoral candidate and seems to have ruined his reputation sufficiently to cause him to lose the election, even though he was never charged with any crimes." http://www.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq8.htm

I suggest you read Matthew Cooper's comments about his experience with Patrick Fitzgerald's unique grand jurors:

" 'Grand juries are in the business of handing out indictments, and their docility is infamous,' Cooper writes. A grand jury, the old maxim goes, will indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asks it of them. 'But I didn't get that sense from this group of grand jurors. They somewhat reflected the demographics of the District of Columbia,' he wrote. 'The majority were African-American and were disproportionately women... These grand jurors did not seem the types to passively indict a ham sandwich. I would say one-third of my 2-1/2 hours of testimony was spent answering their questions, not the prosecutor's.' " http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/leakcase719

The grand jury may have returned indictments or true bills through their own proactive and fully Constitutional power, as opposed to reacting to indictments or information presented by the prosecutor.

Another paragraph from Flocco's report lends credence to this issue:

"Sources close to the investigation report that members of the House, Senate, 9.11 Commission and other members of the media are also under investigation as potential targets by a grand jury regarding obstruction of justice and other oversight failures linked to the 9.11 attacks--indicating that citizen panelists working with Fitzgerald may be seeking a wholesale cleansing of what many have said is a crime-wracked White House and Congress. "

Pay attention to that last line, "--indicating that citizen panelists working with Fitzgerald may be seeking a wholesale cleansing..."

That's a very strong tip off that Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury, to some degree, may be taking things in their own hands. (And if that is the case, Citizen Spook commends them for doing so.)

It's important to note, that Fitzgerald may be constrained by his legal mandate as to what he is allowed to investigate. He might also be constrained by superiors and furthermore, both he and the grand jurors might have considered the possibility that his job may be taken from him. After all, the President will decide whether Fitzgerald returns to his job when his term is up in October. The grand jury might also be aware of that fact, and they may have taken over this investigation, not out of disrespect for Patrick Fitzgerald, but perhaps just the opposite.

Hopefully, they've awoken to the magnitude of the historical significance their questions, deliberations and votes may hold. It's possible that the future of our country, the lives of our soldiers, and the lives of innocent people in foreign countries all over the globe are now in the minds and hearts of the "citizen panelists" now examining the actions of the Bush administration and its facilitators.

CITIZEN SPOOK INTERVIEWS THE US ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

Citizen Spook has interviewed a female representative from Randy Sanborn's office. Randy Sanborn is the official spokesperson for Patrick Fitzgerald at the US Attorney's office in the Dirksen Federal Courthouse.

I first called the main number for the Dirksen Federal Courthouse. The receptionist transferred me to the "duty paralegal". I explained to him that I was calling about the story circulating about "the White House Indictments."

Duty Paralegal: "You're referring to the Valerie Plame case?"

CS: "Yes."

Duty paralegal: "We can't comment about that. Everything about the grand jury proceeding is secret."

CS: "I know, but there are reports coming out on the internet that this office has denied issuing the indictments and I'm trying to clear the record."

Duty paralegal: "You need to speak to Randy Sanborn's office. He's in charge of press relations. Just call the switchboard back and they will transfer you."

I have the duty paralegal's name, but he asked for it not to be used.

I called the main number again at the Dirksen Federal Courthouse and asked for Randy Sanborn's office. I was transferred to his office and a woman picked up:

CS: "May I speak to Mr. Sanborn?"

Female assistant: "What is this about."

CS: "I'm calling to verify the story about Patirck Fitzgerald's grand jury returning indictments agsinst the White House."

Female assistant: "That story did not originate from this office."

CS: "But people are spreading comments from your office."

Female assistant: "We have no comment."

CS: "But there are reports that your office denied executing the indictments."

Female assistant: "No indictments have been issued from this office."

CS: "Who am I speaking with?

Female assistant: "I'm not giving you any names for anybody here."

CS: "Has the grand jury returned any indictments?"

She hung up.

I called the main number again, asked for Richard Sanborn's office, was transferred and got the same female assistant on the phone:

Female assistant: "I told you we have no comment to your question."

CS: "But I have more than one question."

Female Assistant: "And we cannot comment, I have to go."

CS: "Please don't hang up, the duty paralegal said your office was the only place to go for a comment. And I understand you can't comment, and I'll respect that, but I have to get you on the record as saying 'no comment' to the questions I have, and not just a blanket answer. I understand you can't comment, but will you please allow me to ask the questions, and if your answer is 'no comment' that's fine, I won't press you, but please let me ask the questions so we can understand what you're saying 'no comment' to."

Female assistant: "What's your question, sir?"

CS: "Regarding Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation, has the US Attorney presented any Indictments to the grand jury for deliberations?"

Female assistant: "No comment."

CS: "Is the grand jury currently deliberating over any indictments?"

Female assistant: "No comment."

CS: "Has the grand jury returned any true bills?"

Female assistant: "No comment."

CS: "Has the grand jury returned any not true bills?"

Female assistant: "No comment."

CS: "Has the grand jury returned any bills of ignoramus?"

Female assistant: "No comment."

CS: "Has your office issued any Indictments?"

Female assistant: "This office has not issued any indictments."

[ehnyah]

CONCLUSIONS

So there most certainly is an official comment from the US Attorney's office...if you ask this very limited question. For any other question, the official response from the US Attorney's office is, "No comment."

Tom Flocco's story has not been denied by the US Attorney's office.

I sincerely hope that some reporter with a bit more pull than Citizen Spook can take this analysis and get Richard Sanborn to comment himself. I really don't see the problem. The duty paralegal told me that Sanborn usually picks up his phone, but it's obvious that his representatives are now shielding him from having to comment directly himself.

Sanborn has been identified in the Chicago Tribune and many other newspapers as the "offical spokesperson" in the US Attorney's office for the Northern District of Illinois, and for Patrick Fitzgerald. http://rickx.com/document/ct990404.htm

Federal law does not allow the prosecutor to comment on the grand jury proceedings. But it would not break any law for Sanborn to say, "No comment." I find it very strange that he's allowing representatives from his office to issue any official statement other than, "no comment". The very specific answer his office is giving is only being given to a very specific question. Other questions were answered by, "No comment."

So what is it about the question, "Has your office issued any indictments?", that legally allows the US Attorney's office to make the comment, "We have not issued any indictments," and "No indictments have been issued by this office."

Considering Rule 6 of the FRCP, the only possible answer is this:

The official comment by the US Attorney's office does not break the Federal secrecy laws since the question presented, as phrased, which did elicit an official response, does not concern actions or information involved with the grand jury proceedings.

And to all other questions asked of the US Attorney, the official response was,

"No comment."

POST SCRIPT




Rule 6(e)(3) may be of interest.

3) Exceptions.
(A) Disclosure of a grand jury matter--other than the grand jury's deliberations or any grand juror's vote--may be made to:
(i) an attorney for the government for use in performing that attorney's duty;
(ii) any government personnel--including those of a state, state subdivision, Indian tribe, or foreign government'--that an attorney for the government considers necessary to assist in performing that attorney's duty to enforce federal criminal law; or
(iii) a person authorized by 18 USC sec. 3322.
(B) A person to whom information is disclosed under Rule 6(e)(3)(A)(ii) may use that information only to assist an attorney for the government in performing that attorney's duty to enforce federal criminal law. An attorney for the government must promptly provide the court that impaneled the grand jury with the names of all persons to whom a disclosure has been made, and must certify that the attorney has advised those persons of their obligation of secrecy under this rule.
(C) An attorney for the government may disclose any grand-jury matter to another federal grand jury.
(D) An attorney for the government may disclose any grand-jury matter involving foreign intelligence, counterintelligence (as defined in 50 U.S.C. sec. 401a), or foreign intelligence information (as defined in Rule 6(e)(3)(D)(iii)) to any federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense, or national security official to assist the official receiving the information in the performance of that official's duties. An attorney for the government may also disclose any grand jury matter involving, within the United States or elsewhere, a threat of attack or other grave hostile acts of a foreign power or its agent, a threat of domestic or international sabotage or terrorism, or clandestine intelligence gathering activities by an intelligence service or network of a foreign power or by its agent, to any appropriate Federal, State, State subdivision, Indian tribal, or foreign government official, for the purpose of preventing or responding to such threat or activities.

DEVELOPING

By Citizen Spook
citizenspook@hotmail.com

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Citizen Spook is an attorney licensed to practice in the US Federal Courts.




posted by citizenspook at 7:29 PM
6 Comments:
fooser77 said...

CS, Thank you for your insightful analysis. If I understand you correctly, you are basically corraborating Tom Flocco's reporting based on U.S. "rules of law." Stating that what he has reported thus far does not violate the "spirit" of the law, however possibly in minor ignorance of the "letter" of that same law.

Speculating beyond towards what "may come", if these indictments do in fact materialize "officially", and Cheney is incarcerated and GWB is forced to resign, does that make the Speaker of the House (Hastert) the acting POTUS? And does a special election get called, or what? Since you are an attorney, I figure you would know these matters better than most commenting and viewing thus far.

Also, does the Grand Jury sit in a room under the flag with gold trim and braid, and if so, does this make any difference under the Constitution? From what I understand, any room or space with the gold trim flag is territory of the U.S. vs. the U.S.A. The U.S. does not follow under the rules of the Constitution (as does the U.S.A.) but under the rules of the U.C.C. and ultimately the U.N. as a "corporatized" entity of the aforementioned. Just trying to get some clarification here as to what we citizens can really and honestly expect. Thank you for your time and consideration. Looking forward to your response.

P.S. Just curious. I have noticed that you just started your blog this past month. What motivated you to begin this blog?
3:20 AM
Zero Haven said...

Thanks so much. Some of us nerds don't know legaleez, so this is very helpful.

[if you want a wider layout, drop a line. I had to scroll for miles to read the whole post, it's so narrow]
4:50 PM
Wayne said...

This is great, thank you.

I have been collecting some of the documents around this.
http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/

Keep up the good work!
2:46 PM
Truth Diamond said...

"Most recently, we have assembled reports that
plutonium has been delivered to the Mossad
at the Port of Amsterdam that was stolen by the
Russian Mafia from former Soviet nuclear stockpiles
in the Ural Mountains. Along these lines, we also learned
of a detailed report, prepared at Maxwell AFB, which
completely supports Ambassador Wilson´s assessment
of the Niger documents: the uranium did NOT go to Iraq,
but to Israel´s nuclear reactor at Dimona, in the Negev desert:

http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/thomas/pluto.txt
(see also discussion of Amsterdam´s Schipol Airport)
http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/farr/farr.htm
(search for "yellow cake")

Therefore, the Weapons of Mass Destruction are in Israel,
not in Iraq. And, we suspect that low-yield micro nuclear
weapons are being smuggled from there into the USA,
for purposes of political blackmail.

If something falls directly under their jurisdiction,
I also inform the duty officer assigned to me at
the U.S. Marshals in downtown San Diego.

The U.S. Marshals recently intercepted an
attempt to detonate explosives in the Chicago
subway, and they killed 4 suspects in that shootout;
the others were arrested and are now in custody.

We believe those bombs were intended to
disrupt Fitzgerald´s grand jury investigation.

I do not communicate directly with Fitzgerald,
but I am on Sherman Skolnick´s email list,
and we have already received reports that
Skolnick confirms the INDICTMENT.

Skolnick knows a lot of people in Chicago,
so he would be your primary source for confirmation,
one way or the other.

The alleged INDICTMENT is certainly warranted, imho.

We have already notified Alberto Gonzales that he too is
under formal investigation -- on suspicion of child abuse
in connection with the torture at prison Abu Ghraib:
Seymour Hersh has seen photographic evidence of children
being tortured there. Congress has custody of the photos
at the present time.

As a matter of law, lying to Congress about the
Niger "yellow cake" is a felony violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001,
to say nothing of all the treason and racketeering felonies
that were committed during the preparation and execution of 9/11.

The motive for outing Plame appears to be complex, involving
also a desire to prevent any interruptions in the smuggling of
plutonium
to the Mossad from the Russian Mafia. We think Plame´s assignment
was to track fissionable materials in the black market for same."


Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/agency/private.attorney.general.htm
http://www.supremelaw.org/index.htm
http://www.supremelaw.org/support.policy.htm
http://www.supremelaw.org/guidelines.htm


Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:23:03 EDT
Subject: Re: [coyotehunters] Re: Tom Flocco
groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRevolutionaryCoalition/message/3134

In a message dated 8/4/2005 12:33:45 AM Central Standard Time,
freesia2@... writes:
Carole & group: I am suspicious that there has been a "convenient"
glitch
(or worse), as Tom Flocco's site was up yesterday. He had sent me the
info on
the Bush/Cheney indictment before Marci posted it. In the e-mail, if
you
wanted to read the whole article, you had to click on "Read more,"
which I did.
It took me to his website, where I read the whole article. Now the
Still not up. There is a page up now that is showing a brief note and
saying
check with "whitestar website design.com".................. Being the
obedient
female, I did, got the phone number and called. A gentleman named BOB
answered.
Thru my few ignorant questions, I derived that it the site for Tom is
not
voluntarily down, the Man said his server has been under attack since
Monday
over the indictment article (in so many words) Stated his personal
computer has
been hacked into also. They have been working on it 24/7 since it went
down. Bob
owns this server and quite a few more of the political sites. Says he
knows who
it is doing it but can't say. Now again some one remind me where we
live? Land
of the free?

Carole (Texas Proud)
9:12 AM
Rodney said...

Question for you citizen spook,

Is Tony Blair going to be dragged into the USA, and are they going to have to investigate the Turkish bribes to Dennis Hastert?

Evidently the whole criminal syndicate is entrenched, so there must be a plan with the Grand Juries. That would mean as the Vice President is forced out, the scandal involving PNAC will explode and deteriate fast.

What can they do with Fitzgerald's boss? Are they prepared to get out of the way if these kooks raise a nuclear attack?

Fitzgerald's new boss is a skull&bones conspiracy whackjob. I imagine he won't be too concerned about him, but these people all need to be fought thoroughly.

-Rodney
12:39 AM
The Prissy Patriot said...

Thank you so very much....THIS is exactly the kind of analysis the Prissy Patriot was looking for.

I will link my readers to your fine article.

You might like "Coingate-FL/OH/Turnpike, Election 2004 investigation, if you haven't already seen it. It is in my archives for July.

Nice work,

Prissy Patriot

http://prissypatriot.blogspot.com
11:36 AM

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