The 9/11 Omission Hearings - Complete Videos Inside

[Gold9472]

The 9/11 Omission Hearings
Chaired by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
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Commission Mission Statement
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Commissioners' Opening Words
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Barry Zelman Reflects on Loss
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Mindy Kleinberg Testimony
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Jenna Orkin Environmental Crimes
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John Judge 9-11 Omission Report
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Orkin & Judge Questions and Answers
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Nicholas Levis: Introductions and Promotions
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Barrie Zwicker False Pretenses and Pretexts for War
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Michael Springmann Visas to Terrorists
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Paul Thompson Foreign Intelligence Warnings
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Michael Ruppert Introduction
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Michael Ruppert: Cheney Command and Control
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Commisioners' Review of Evidence / Testimony
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Indira Singh Sibel's Letter
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Indira Singh and Ruppert Questions and Answers
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Nicholas Levis Introduction Before Omission Dossier
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Nicholas Levis 9-11 Omission Dossier
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Carolyn Betts Unofficial Introduction and Background
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Carolyn Betts: 9-11 Crimes Options for Re-dress Prosecution / Evidence - Taxonomy
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John Judge Intelligence Agencies
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Final Audience Questions and Answers
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[Gold9472]

Did anyone watch these yet?

[Gold9472]

I'm in "9/11 Mode" tonight if anyone wants to chat...

[Gold9472]

Here's a picture I made on the night of September 11th, 2001...

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/wtctribute.gif

Here's a picture I made this past anniversary. What a difference three years makes...

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/waste2.gif

[Gold9472]

People People.... what did you think of these? :(

[Gold9472]

Has anyone watched these yet?

[Gold9472]

I repeat.. has anyone watched these yet?

[PhilosophyGenius]

there is no proof mr gold

[Gold9472]

there is no proof mr gold

Of course there's no legitimate proof... but the circumstantial evidence certainly leans in that direction... You asked me if there were a connection between Bin Laden and Bush/Our Government, why would they arrest 3000 Al-Qaeda members...

In order to instill the "fear" that Al-Qaeda represents, the "Main Players" need to be left alone... as long as Osama Bin Laden is out and about, Americans have something to fear.

[Gold9472]

If you arrest 3000 Al-Qaeda soldiers, that makes the people think we're doing our job, etc... However, what they fail to realize is for every arrest, there are 5 more people willing to take their place. Our Government's priorities in regarding the apprehension of Osama have been laughable.

[Gold9472]

And the obvious ties between the Bin Laden family, and the Bush's would also give evidence to that theory... a "connection" as it were.

[PhilosophyGenius]

i see your point because even the french military said the us was close to bin laden many times and no ones going after him in his hidout. but it doesnt make sense for him to work with bush b/c he's been hating the u.s. for over ten years and for legitate reasons and why all of a sudden would he work with the us president?

[Gold9472]

i see your point because even the french military said the us was close to bin laden many times and no ones going after him in his hidout. but it doesnt make sense for him to work with bush b/c he's been hating the u.s. for over ten years and for legitate reasons and why all of a sudden would he work with the us president?

Bin Laden's origins stem from the fact that the United States was willing to arm and fund his Mujhadeen during the Afghanistan/Russia War. He started as an ally of the United States. What if that allegiance never went awry like we've been led to believe? It's certainly a possibility.

[Gold9472]

"Q****Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden.**Why is that?**Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive?**Final part**--**deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of**--

THE PRESIDENT:**Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all.**Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time.**And the idea of focusing on one person is --**really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person.**And he's just**--**he's a person who's now been marginalized.**His network, his host government has been destroyed.**He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match.**He is**--**as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide**--**if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is.**You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.**I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan.**There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly.**We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy.**We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means."

[Gold9472]

Nov. 2, 2001, 12:00 PST -- On Oct. 31 the French daily Le Figaro dropped a bombshell. While in a Dubai hospital receiving treatment for a chronic kidney infection last July, Osama bin Laden met with a top CIA official -- presumably the chief of station. The meeting, held in bin Laden's private suite, took place at the American hospital in Dubai at a time when he was a wanted fugitive for the bombings of two U.S. embassies and last year's attack on the USS Cole. Bin Laden was eligible for execution according to a 2000 intelligence finding issued by President Bill Clinton before leaving office in January. Yet on July 14, 2001 he was allowed to leave Dubai on a private jet, and there were no Navy fighters waiting to force him down.

[PhilosophyGenius]

then that means that bush 41 , and clinton were also connected to bin laden. there is no way something like that can stay secret for 10 years my nigga

[Gold9472]

then that means that bush 41 , and clinton were also connected to bin laden. there is no way something like that can stay secret for 10 years my nigga

That's why when I say "Bush" nowadays, I'm referring to every corrupt aspect of our Government. Bill Clinton had A LOT of affiliations with people that would be considered, "underhanded". Just look up the Iran/Contra affair...

[PhilosophyGenius]

very interesting quote but something like that would have been major news by now and doesnt seem to have credibitly

[PhilosophyGenius]

yes, but the iran/contra was discoverd and made big news, not even area 51 can be held a secret. bush's plans to invade iraq in the days after 9/11 and after his inaguration are well known now. how could his ties to bin laden and 9/11 be this secret where it hasnt leaked and an al-qaeda dude never posted that info online,

[Gold9472]

very interesting quote but something like that would have been major news by now and doesnt seem to have credibitly

Have you ever looked up the history of the "Le Figaro" newspaper? That Newspaper would be the equivalent of the Philadelphia Inquirer, etc... it's over 100 years old. There are a lot of stories that don't make the mainstream... that just seem to disappear. Remember, if you don't talk about it, it's not news, and vice versa. Were you aware of a story that ran in the Philadelphia Daily News in October 2004 that spoke of how the black boxes WERE found at the WTC.

[Gold9472]

yes, but the iran/contra was discoverd and made big news, not even area 51 can be held a secret. bush's plans to invade iraq in the days after 9/11 and after his inaguration are well known now. how could his ties to bin laden and 9/11 be this secret where it hasnt leaked and an al-qaeda dude never posted that info online,

Planning to invade Iraq after 9/11 is a lot different than planning to invade Iraq after his first inauguration. Paul O'Neil left for exactly that reason. He said it was "all about finding a way to do it".

[Gold9472]

If he were to have planned for invading Iraq after 9/11, that may have made sense. If, of course, Saddam had weapons of Mass Destruction, which of course, as we all know, he didn't.

[PhilosophyGenius]

i guess the only thing that can convinc me of this link is the what attacked the pentagon. that video shown online about how a 747 couldnt of hit the pentagon is very convicing. what are your htought on that ?

[PhilosophyGenius]

i meant it is clear that bush wanted to invade iraq before 9/11

[Gold9472]

i guess the only thing that can convinc me of this link is the what attacked the pentagon. that video shown online about how a 747 couldnt of hit the pentagon is very convicing. what are your htought on that ?

I know for a fact that it was a 757 that hit the Pentagon. I met Lt. Col. Karen Kwiotowski in Washington D.C. She is a "whistleblower". She's coming out against the Government for the manipulation done within the Pentagon for creating the intelligence necessary for the Iraq War. The "right" intelligence. She was at the Pentagon on 9/11... she saw the plane, and saw her friends die.... she cries to this day talking about it.

Also, John Judge, co-founder of 911Citizenswatch.org knows a stewardess who flew that route. She examined the wreckage, and saw upholstery she recoginized, windows, bodies, etc...

[PhilosophyGenius]

did you see the video i'm talking about where it says that the fbi confiscated store videos from near by buidling that would have shown the pentagon being hit right after it happened and they were never released. it also talked about how people saw a small plane, and they showed the reckage and how a 747 could not have fit, and quoted people as saying that there was no plane recage and even showed pics of it. even howard stern acknolaged that video

[Gold9472]

did you see the video i'm talking about where it says that the fbi confiscated store videos from near by buidling that would have shown the pentagon being hit right after it happened and they were never released. it also talked about how people saw a small plane, and they showed the reckage and how a 747 could not have fit, and quoted people as saying that there was no plane recage and even showed pics of it. even howard stern acknolaged that video

Yep... I know all about it... I also know of a witness who saw "Muslim Men" in the cockpit of the airplane that hit. There's a movie I'd love to show you, but I have to find it... brb.

[Gold9472]

This movie clearly shows that the possibility exists that the plane disintegrated on impact

Click Here (http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=040927FA-F4_Phantom)

[somebigguy]

This movie clearly shows that the possibility exists that the plane disintegrated on impact

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Hey Gold, that's a small jet flying at 800 MPH hitting a wall dead center. The pentagon hit was a passenger jet supposedly flying a few feet above the ground at 400 MPH??? on a 45 degree angle. This video is not an adequate comparison.

Some witness accounts mention one plane, others mention two. Some mention a big plane other mention a small one. Then some mention it was loud, others mention it was silent.

Basically all we can gather from these reports is that at least one plane was there. So, we have to look at the physical evidence. If you look at the facade of the building after the smoke clears, its pretty obvious no passenger jet hit it. Then when you consider the fact that the jet disappeared from radar in West Virginia, it couldn't possibly have been the jet in question.

[Gold9472]

Hey Gold, that's a small jet flying at 800 MPH hitting a wall dead center. The pentagon hit was a passenger jet supposedly flying a few feet above the ground at 400 MPH??? on a 45 degree angle. This video is not an adequate comparison.

Some witness accounts mention one plane, others mention two. Some mention a big plane other mention a small one. Then some mention it was loud, others mention it was silent.

Basically all we can gather from these reports is that at least one plane was there. So, we have to look at the physical evidence. If you look at the facade of the building after the smoke clears, its pretty obvious no passenger jet hit it. Then when you consider the fact that the jet disappeared from radar in West Virginia, it couldn't possibly have been the jet in question.

I refer you to this thread...

Click Here (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177)

[somebigguy]

I refer you to this thread...

Click Here (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177)
You brought it up, I'm simply disagreeing with you. Discuss the Why in the other thread, and discuss the How here.

[Gold9472]

You brought it up, I'm simply disagreeing with you. Discuss the Why in the other thread, and discuss the How here.

The only thing I have seen solid proof of is the fact that those planes may have been flown by remote control. As far as switching planes, and fitting a 757 with a missle, etc.. I don't buy it. There has been reports that a lot of doctoring took place in that movie.

[somebigguy]

The only thing I have seen solid proof of is the fact that those planes may have been flown by remote control. As far as switching planes, and fitting a 757 with a missle, etc.. I don't buy it. There has been reports that a lot of doctoring took place in that movie.
There's nothing being doctored on those clips. You can see the same videos on CNN. Any attempts at discrediting them is the work of disinfo agents.

[Gold9472]

There's nothing being doctored on those clips. You can see the same videos on CNN. Any attempts at discrediting them is the work of disinfo agents.

Hey, you know me... I'm no disinfo guy... I tell it like it is... and when people like Eric Hufschmid tell me that he heard that parts of the film were doctored, then I have to take it at face value...

[somebigguy]

Hey, you know me... I'm no disinfo guy... I tell it like it is... and when people like Eric Hufschmid tell me that he heard that parts of the film were doctored, then I have to take it at face value...
Hey Gold, I wasn't calling you a disinfo guy. It seems the Lets Roll guys are under attack by disinfo agents. If Hufschmid is saying something was doctored, I'd like to see it. I have read everything I could find on this subject and looked at all the videos and have never seen anything that didn't jive with what those guys were saying.

I still do searches on file sharing networks etc on this subject looking for videos and download and watch them. It's usually the same things, but every now and then I find something new.

[Gold9472]

Hey Gold, I wasn't calling you a disinfo guy. It seems the Lets Roll guys are under attack by disinfo agents. If Hufschmid is saying something was doctored, I'd like to see it. I have read everything I could find on this subject and looked at all the videos and have never seen anything that didn't jive with what those guys were saying.

I still do searches on file sharing networks etc on this subject looking for videos and download and watch them. It's usually the same things, but every now and then I find something new.

Look.. the idea that someone is making money off of the secrecy behind 9/11 is no surprise... That's what letsroll911.org is about from what I've heard. What books have you read if you don't mind me asking?

[somebigguy]

Look.. the idea that someone is making money off of the secrecy behind 9/11 is no surprise... That's what letsroll911.org is about from what I've heard. What books have you read if you don't mind me asking?
Yeah, but isn't everyone making money off of 9/11? Ruppert, Hufshmidt, Alex Jones all charge for their materials don't they? The In Plane Site video is not copywritten, it can be distributed freely. They ask for a donation of 20 dollars on the website and they'll send you a copy.

These people have to stay afloat somehow. Investigations cost money. The gov't isn't funding any 9/11 research.

[Gold9472]

Yeah, but isn't everyone making money off of 9/11? Ruppert, Hufshmidt, Alex Jones all charge for their materials don't they? The In Plane Site video is not copywritten, it can be distributed freely. They ask for a donation of 20 dollars on the website and they'll send you a copy.

These people have to stay afloat somehow. Investigations cost money. The gov't isn't funding any 9/11 research.

I know... but making money to support your cause, and using the cause to make money are two different things... that's all... SBG.. you wouldn't BELIEVE some of the stuff that I've read... some of the movies I've seen... things that would make you say, HOLY SHIT, but you also have to learn to cipher through what's credible and what's not... you know the guys who made that movie, don't you? Why not ask them to come here, and debate the subject... I'll get Eric, etc...

[somebigguy]

I know... but making money to support your cause, and using the cause to make money are two different things... that's all... SBG.. you wouldn't BELIEVE some of the stuff that I've read... some of the movies I've seen... things that would make you say, HOLY SHIT, but you also have to learn to cipher through what's credible and what's not... you know the guys who made that movie, don't you? Why not ask them to come here, and debate the subject... I'll get Eric, etc...
Well, I don't know how much money anyones been making, but I doubt anyone's getting rich off of it. I noticed in Fahrenheit 9/11 that big companies like Micro$oft were lining up to make money off the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those are the real pricks.

I do know how to cipher through what's real and what isn't. As I've said, I have looked at videos from numerous sources and they all show the same things. That's why I'm confident enough to tell people to go watch their video tapes from that day and they'll say the same thing.

I don't know those guys, I was in contact with the Lets Roll guys once but that's it. I can go to their forums and mention this board.

[Gold9472]

Well, I don't know how much money anyones been making, but I doubt anyone's getting rich off of it. I noticed in Fahrenheit 9/11 that big companies like Micro$oft were lining up to make money off the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those are the real pricks.

I do know how to cipher through what's real and what isn't. As I've said, I have looked at videos from numerous sources and they all show the same things. That's why I'm confident enough to tell people to go watch their video tapes from that day and they'll say the same thing.

I don't know those guys, I was in contact with the Lets Roll guys once but that's it. I can go to their forums and mention this board.

Ok... whoever wants to come and chat is fine. I thought Christopher was from that bunch wasn't he?

[somebigguy]

Ok... whoever wants to come and chat is fine. I thought Christopher was from that bunch wasn't he?
I don't know, I thought he was one of your buddies.

[Gold9472]

I don't know, I thought he was one of your buddies.

No, I came across Christopher from www.911visibility.org and the HSBB... I didn't like him at first. He once told someone that their loved ones may still be alive, and I didn't agree, or approve of that. Anyway, after talking with him for a while, I found that he's really a briliant man, but talks about things I have no interest in...

[somebigguy]

No, I came across Christopher from www.911visibility.org and the HSBB... I didn't like him at first. He once told someone that their loved ones may still be alive, and I didn't agree, or approve of that. Anyway, after talking with him for a while, I found that he's really a briliant man, but talks about things I have no interest in...
Yeah, I thought he was brilliant too, but I didn't agree with all his theories, they didn't always jive with the physical evidence.

[Gold9472]

Well, he is a bit "out there" if you know what I mean... when he started talking to me about "mind control", etc... I pretty much shut myself off from him. However, one day I was sitting in my living room watching T.V., and it dawned on me... How easy would it be to manipulate the world with a Television? Mind Control...

[somebigguy]

Well, he is a bit "out there" if you know what I mean... when he started talking to me about "mind control", etc... I pretty much shut myself off from him. However, one day I was sitting in my living room watching T.V., and it dawned on me... How easy would it be to manipulate the world with a Television? Mind Control...
Yeah, I went through the same thing with him. I don't discount it however, just cause it's hard to believe doesn't make it impossible. Lets face it, the general population has been brainwashed.

[Gold9472]

Yeah, I went through the same thing with him. I don't discount it however, just cause it's hard to believe doesn't make it impossible. Lets face it, the general population has been brainwashed.

Absolutely. I don't think I've watched the mainstream media for a few months now...

[somebigguy]

Hey Gold, who was Foobar? Was he from the old board? Haven't seen him in a while.

[Gold9472]

Hey Gold, who was Foobar? Was he from the old board? Haven't seen him in a while.

I think he was Poultry_Milking...

[somebigguy]

I think he was Poultry_Milking...
Was he? I kind of thought he was, but he wasn't quite as confrontational as Poultry.

[Gold9472]

Was he? I kind of thought he was, but he wasn't quite as confrontational as Poultry.

That was my best guess... no matter. He's gone now.

[somebigguy]

That was my best guess... no matter. He's gone now.
Why is he gone? Did you ban him?

Take a look here, some good stuff right on the front page:

http://www.letsroll911.org

[Gold9472]

No, I didn't ban him... I meant he hasn't been here for a while...

[Gold9472]

I was just there.. spammed the boards...

[somebigguy]

I was just there.. spammed the boards...
You spammed their boards???

[Gold9472]

You spammed their boards???

Yeah... All I said was www.yourbbsucks.com Is A 9/11 Movement Site...

[somebigguy]

Yeah... All I said was www.yourbbsucks.com Is A 9/11 Movement Site...
Well, play nice, try to set a good example.

[Gold9472]

Well, play nice, try to set a good example.

Anyone willing to sign up is ok by me.

[somebigguy]

Hey Gold, did you just sign up at Letsroll? I see your name there.

[somebigguy]

Take a look, they're doing radio ads.

http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5064

[somebigguy]

Also, you can download the Directors Cut of In Plane Site from here:

http://212.87.68.69/phpwebsite/index.php?module=documents&JAS_DocumentManager_op=viewDocument&JAS_Document_id=7

I've been looking for this. I don't see the other guys giving their stuff away for free. Hope this clears up some of your suspicions of them.

[somebigguy]

Take a look at CNN here:

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/gallery/unimaginable.html

Notice the thumbnails on the left. Click on the middle one on the top row, you'll see the same stuff In Plane Site discusses, and this is a CNN image. Either CNN is also doctoring the images, or the In Plane Site guys are on to something.

[Gold9472]

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/gallery/unimaginable/2.jpg

[Gold9472]

That light on the front of the plane... is that what you're referring to?

[somebigguy]

The light as well as the bulge on the lower right part of the plane near the wing.

[Gold9472]

To me... I don't see anything... to me... that's one of those images that could be anything, and people make up stories, etc... like the lochness monster, or bigfoot... people capture "glimpses" of stuff, and go from there... I honestly don't see the "bulge". :(

[somebigguy]

To me... I don't see anything... to me... that's one of those images that could be anything, and people make up stories, etc... like the lochness monster, or bigfoot... people capture "glimpses" of stuff, and go from there... I honestly don't see the "bulge". :(
Yeah, but it's visible from three different angles, the flash too. The first attack had the same flash right before impact.

[Christopher]

This thread is about 9-11 and accountability at the highest levels, thousands of lives, you are a miscreant with your unwillingness to acknowledge the veracity of raw information. Here is what the tower cores looked like. I've made this crude diagram to show the interior tubes of the "tube in a tube" design

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corehallsdoors.gif

How can this OFFICIAL TOWER STRUCTURE (http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif) leave this shape

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

without huge vertical columns sticking out of the top bent and broken?

FEMA lies, why? What can it mean?

[Gold9472]

Christopher, it's not that I don't acknowledge the mysteries surrounding the collapse, or the fact that those planes were probably flown by remote control. It's just not something that I can prove...

[somebigguy]

Hey Christopher, nice to see you.

[Se7en]

This thread is about 9-11 and accountability at the highest levels, thousands of lives, you are a miscreant with your unwillingness to acknowledge the veracity of raw information. Here is what the tower cores looked like. I've made this crude diagram to show the interior tubes of the "tube in a tube" design

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corehallsdoors.gif

How can this OFFICIAL TOWER STRUCTURE (http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif) leave this shape

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

without huge vertical columns sticking out of the top bent and broken?

FEMA lies, why? What can it mean?

Excellent way to garner support to your cause Christopher. Calling others 'miscreants' simply diminishes your credibility. I am not a 9/11 person, but Gold has a good point. Why not spend your time focusing on the 'Why' as opposed to the ‘How’? The crime scene is gone, and all you have is pictures left; pictures, mind you, which can be looked at 1000 different ways.

[somebigguy]

Excellent way to garner support to your cause Christopher. Calling others 'miscreants' simply diminishes your credibility. I am not a 9/11 person, but Gold has a good point. Why not spend your time focusing on the 'Why' as opposed to the ‘How’? The crime scene is gone, and all you have is pictures left; pictures, mind you, which can be looked at 1000 different ways.
I don't condone name calling, however, the physical evidence shouldn't be ignored. The why has already been proven thanks to Ruppert and others. We still need to know how. The pictures can be looked at 1000 different ways, however, when an anomaly shows up in three different angles you end up with physical evidence, not shadows or camera angles.

The In Plane Site guys have opened a lot of eyes because of their attention to the physical evidence.

[Christophera]

Excellent way to garner support to your cause Christopher. Calling others 'miscreants' simply diminishes your credibility. I am not a 9/11 person, but Gold has a good point. Why not spend your time focusing on the 'Why' as opposed to the ‘How’? The crime scene is gone, and all you have is pictures left; pictures, mind you, which can be looked at 1000 different ways.

Something is goofy with this board. When I make statements like that I always quote or make sure my post is the next. I haven't even found the troll I was responding to, so the post is tampered with.



Christopher, it's not that I don't acknowledge the mysteries surrounding the collapse, or the fact that those planes were probably flown by remote control. It's just not something that I can prove...

Mysteries is a label that presupposes exact knowledge is not available.

I consider the SAND & GRAVEL (http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg) to be knowledge directly available and it raises two very big questions.

1. Where did the double volume come from? In construction/demo terms this is a huge mystery if the building was constructed as the OFFICIAL TOWER STRUCTURE (http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif) shows. However, if it were constructed with a concrete core as I know it was from watching a documentary made from 16mm film shot by the architects and contractors of the towers, the volume is explained. Also the towers official design shows that the only concrete above the foundation was lightweight concrete, unless the SECOND OFFICIAL TOWER STRUCTURE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1540000/images/_1540044_world_trade_structure300.gif) ???????? is correct then an unknown type of concrete was present. Now this is a mystery. Why 2 cores? Somebody can't get their story straight? Can we notice?

What is present matches exactly what I would expect as I know the towers had concrete cores.

Then photos of remnants of the towers are not mysterious. In them are seen obvious structural elements, massive in size and strength. The character and nature of those is obvious to people having experience with the materials and techniques of construction used with them.

The OFFICIAL TOWER STRUCTURE (http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif) WILL leave massive vertical columns protruding upward. The absence of those in this photo of the WTC 2 CORE (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif) after the steel has fallen away from the concrete inner tube, proves the concrete core, it shows it. It establishes quite strongly on its own that the official structure is a lie contrived to explain what was a demolition as a collapse because there are no heavy steel vertical elements pointing upwardly.

Here is a picture of the INTERIOR BOX COLUMNS (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/media/56016/site1074.jpg) which establishes what was the inner framework of the outer tube of the "tube in a tube" design. The WTC 2 CORE FALLING (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.gif) shows the exterior framework of the outer tube. The perimeter steel is seen as the tower top falls. The brown grey roof of the concrete core is seen inside the upside down element before falling on WTC 3.

Having accounted for all of the elements that I have so far described, there is one more structural element that is shown that the OFFICIAL TOWER STRUCTURE (http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif) will not explain. The official structure has only very heavy vertical steel elements whereas the core I saw being built in the video documentary was steel reinforced cast concrete with 3" high tensile steel reinforcing bar, butt welded by specification in a series AT A SLOPING ANGLE reversing on opposite sides to create the strongest possible concrete tube.

I have just proven FEMA intentionally fabricated a deception upon the public wherin 2,800 lost their lives.

That lie shows that the SAND & GRAVEL (http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg) filling the basement came from a massive concrete tower in a tower.

It is impossible to reduce that concrete to anything but big chunks by the use of high explosives UNLESS the explosive is perfectly placed and distributed. Meaning either as a sheet or a grid which is place in the center of the casting.

Where is steel reinforcing bar located in cast concrete and how is reinforcing bar distributed in concrete, what configuration is it installed with?

I've proven my point with raw evidence and no one has ever come up with a shred of the ame type evidence to contradict this scenario.

I've done the same with mind control but people are generally less informed on that subject which has a social taboo to begin with. Those most spooked by it are generally those influenced by it, they know. Even if that knowing is unconscious, they know.

Curously the knowledge of these dark areas of the past exist in our common racial histories and in the written history to a degree, meaning that the mind control via unconscious hypnosis, somnambulism, aspect is more easily accepted than the C4 coated rebar scenario creating the sand and gravel.

Most reasonable people accept quite easily that we do not know everything about the mind.

I don't talk about "why 9-11" because I know why and it is more fantastic than C4 coated rebar and has exactly the same problems with peoples ability to use existing information in simple inference with uniformity proportional to need.

The demolition is certain, by what the images show, the scenario I've defined is the only possible explanation.

Now ................. here's a mystery for you Jon.

"Why won't anyone at Let's Roll support a contest for the best over all explanation for some comprehensive scenario of 9-11?"


Planes, I generally don't talk about planes, here is why. boeing 757's and '67's are hydraulic over hydraulic controls and the pilot has a complete override. Retro fitting to remote is not at all simple or easy. Remote flights into towers mean bumble plane activity to swap out the commercial airliners. Much more chance of something going wrong. I do believe that 77 was bumbled out and a supersonic cruise missile was tested on the pentagon which is how the passengers of 77 are still alive.

Pilots do report that in simulators they could not complete the last turn of flight 175. My appraisal is that empty jetliner flights by powerful governments supporting terrorism can be used to train people to do things with airliners US pilots do not ever do.

Planes are red herrings, we don't know a lot about the flights, we can't find out about them. We depend on official accountability for everything.

With the towers, it is different.

[Nowhereman]

Something is goofy with this board. When I make statements like that I always quote or make sure my post is the next. I haven't even found the troll I was responding to, so the post is tampered with.




You think the CIA tampered with your post?

[Christophera]

Well .......... government money developed the internet and it wouldn't be provided to us unless it could be controlled somewhat. I do not see the troll crap I was responding to so something has happened.

[ScottyAH]

Here's a picture I made on the night of September 11th, 2001...

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/wtctribute.gif

Here's a picture I made this past anniversary. What a difference three years makes...

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/waste2.gif
Thank You Gold....While I disagree with you at times. I take that stuff seriously. That is awesome.

[ScottyAH]

Well .......... government money developed the internet and it wouldn't be provided to us unless it could be controlled somewhat. I do not see the troll crap I was responding to so something has happened.
Hey Christopher...why don't you ever post anywhere or anything but 9/11 ..I'm impressed with your knowledge and passion but ..Who really knows the real you...hang out and talk to us bro. :)

[Christophera]

Hey Christopher...why don't you ever post anywhere or anything but 9/11 ..I'm impressed with your knowledge and passion but ..Who really knows the real you...hang out and talk to us bro. :)

Believe me. Very few people who have known me most of my life feel that way. I could hang until hell freezes and you wouldn't know.

Here's how to get to know me. Look at what I've done since 1997.

Our circadian rhythm, an aspect of our unconscious collective make people do things with the numbers 21, 22 & 23, nobody seems to give a shit about this phenomena.

http://truthasaur.com/

The Indigenous Americans who were the informal leaders of ancient America. There is nothing like this anywhere on the web even though there are thousands of winter solstice shrines around the earth. Nobody gives a shit about this.

http://algoxy.com/miskno

Think you know what life is about, got your values straight? Surf my maze, find the "OUTDOOR". About 5 people have made it through in 4 years. Here's a testimonial from one.

iesamarie
6/12/2003 8:44 AM 5*out of 14

christopher,

I wanted to tell you how I found your site to begin with, as well as share with others the challenge of your Maze. I have never contemplated labyrinths or Mazes as anything I personally wanted to explore. However, my life has seemed much like one lately and that is what drew me here. A search for answers, a seeking of understanding. Life can be challenging and I stepped through the Declarator pages to walk a different journey. It did indeed resemble life's journey. I could see and feel some of the intent was to experience and encourage perservance, dedication, and resolve. Instinct for survival culminated with my knowledge of life, love, and individual need walked with me on my journey. Thankyou again for the experience.

http://algoxy.com/dec

I learned that the water in local creeks was loosing its total dissolved oxygen, the algae all disappeared, frogs gone. I learned nobody gives a shit.

http://algoxy.com

I tries to get the protection of law by using my Constitutional rights. I learned I don't have any and nobody gives a shit.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/nojustice/

I came up with solid grass roots strategy for the peace movement or 9-11 movement, I learned nobody gives a shit.

http://algoxy.com/psych/optimize_for_peace.html

I figure out the towers had concrete cores and how the concrete was turned to sand and gravel, I learned nobody gives a shit.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

Actually, I learned they do give a shit, but not enough to do anything or the confusion from media is so bad they don't know which way to move and can't get over it.

[911=inside job]

gold you know i was listening to these hearings on the radio yesterday....
i was talking to my teacher about it... he had just hear it on the net last night....

[Gold9472]

gold you know i was listening to these hearings on the radio yesterday....
i was talking to my teacher about it... he had just hear it on the net last night....

Really? That's good news.

[Gold9472]

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[Gold9472]

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[MamaSez]

What al-Quaeda soldiers?

[Gold9472]

What al-Quaeda soldiers?

Huh?

[Gold9472]

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[thumper]

sa-weet!

[Gold9472]

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[Gold9472]

I forgot the White House vetted the report before it was released. That is too funny.

[xiando]

I'm watching all of them right now and I just finished John_Judge_911_Omission_Report.

I hate to say this because it may sound rude, but what I've seen so far is just blah blah blah. No real hardcore 9/11 information of value.

I would not recommend this video package, at least not as a whole, to someone who is fairly new to 9/11. It is not a great "kick start" here-is-the-truth video package. I find it interesting despite it being a lot of blah blah blah because they do blurr out some details of interest now and then. Nice that I found these videos here on the board, researchers may find this of interest, but .. as said; I wouldn't recommend it to 9/11 noobs.

Then again, I haven't seen the whole video series yet. Perhaps "episode" 7-23 is better... But this is part of the reason I don't recommend it to noobs, I've watched 1 hour already and if I didn't have a clue about 9/11 becore I probably still wouldn't after watching what I have so far.

Also, it's about 900 MB total files. Would be nice to make a cut-down version which fits a CD. :D (if the rest of it is good then perhaps I'll do just that)

[Gold9472]

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[Gold9472]

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[thumper]

LOL, you called it the Omission Hearings.

i see what you did there