Mixed Messages

[Dble T]

Hi, just registered for your site so am excited that this is a forum that actually does discuss 911, at least it looks that we to me.

Anyway, why are there so many mixed messages, mainly infighting, out there from the groups that cover 911? I have, and continue, to visit various reputable sites such as www.911truth.org (http://www.911truth.org), www.copvcia.com (http://www.copvcia.com), www.prisonplanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com), www.cooperativeresearch.org (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org), plus various others. Recently I have been visiting Victor Thorn's site http://69.28.73.17/index.html and he is making a big deal out of certain websites and people being traitor's to the truth movement. His viewpoint is that all three WTC buildings came down through controlled demolition. I agree and have always thought the sites above such as 911truth.org thought so also. According to him though, no, they don't believe that. Do you members here think that? If not, please enlighten me.

If everybody does agree with that, would you also say that the reason the second tower that was hit came down first because it was going to topple due to how the plane hit it? If you watch the video you see that it was not a direct hit and can actually see plane parts flying through the sky since the building was not able to contain it due to the plane hitting the corner and not straight on. Besides WTC 7 coming down by being pulled you can see how the plane hit the corner of WTC 2 and there is no way that the pancake theory applies there. 3/4's of the building on the floors where that plane hit was not damaged due to path of the plane. Certainly structual engineers could watch that video and determine beyond a shadow of a doubt that WTC2 would not have the pancake that the "official" story says happened. What is it going to take to wake America up to this? It is so very maddening to see the truth that nobody else dares open their eyes to.

[Gold9472]

Hi, just registered for your site so am excited that this is a forum that actually does discuss 911, at least it looks that we to me.

Anyway, why are there so many mixed messages, mainly infighting, out there from the groups that cover 911? I have, and continue, to visit various reputable sites such as www.911truth.org (http://www.911truth.org/), www.copvcia.com (http://www.copvcia.com/), www.prisonplanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/), www.cooperativeresearch.org (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/), plus various others. Recently I have been visiting Victor Thorn's site http://69.28.73.17/index.html and he is making a big deal out of certain websites and people being traitor's to the truth movement. His viewpoint is that all three WTC buildings came down through controlled demolition. I agree and have always thought the sites above such as 911truth.org thought so also. According to him though, no, they don't believe that. Do you members here think that? If not, please enlighten me.

If everybody does agree with that, would you also say that the reason the second tower that was hit came down first because it was going to topple due to how the plane hit it? If you watch the video you see that it was not a direct hit and can actually see plane parts flying through the sky since the building was not able to contain it due to the plane hitting the corner and not straight on. Besides WTC 7 coming down by being pulled you can see how the plane hit the corner of WTC 2 and there is no way that the pancake theory applies there. 3/4's of the building on the floors where that plane hit was not damaged due to path of the plane. Certainly structual engineers could watch that video and determine beyond a shadow of a doubt that WTC2 would not have the pancake that the "official" story says happened. What is it going to take to wake America up to this? It is so very maddening to see the truth that nobody else dares open their eyes to.

Hi, and WELCOME... yep... you could say we talk about 9/11 here. ;)

In regards to your main question, I have the answer for you in this thread... you just have to read all the way through it to get it.

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1598

In regards to your other question about what will it take... if I knew the answer to that, I wouldn't be doing this everyday. ;)

[Dble T]

Okay, so they are the "bad" guys. Are you not of the school of thought that says the towers were brought down through demolition?

[Gold9472]

Okay, so they are the "bad" guys. Are you not of the school of thought that says the towers were brought down through demolition?

:) I'm a "special" case.

[Gold9472]

Here's what I'll tell you... Do I believe the towers were demolished? It's HIGHLY probable. Is there anyway to prove it? Nope. The evidence was shipped off to China within days of the collapse. In other words, you can argue until you're blue in the face about the towers with someone, and never come to any conclusion. I try to avoid those "types" of arguments. There's plenty of verifiable evidence to focus on.

[dz]

i personally agree with controlled demolition (mainly because of WTC7), but that really is just an opinion, and thats it.

i have no issue at all with those who dont find it convincing, the fact is that until it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it is an opinion.

as for ppl harping on 911truth and others because they dont accept controlled demolition, that is bunk. 911truth is a big supporter of david ray griffin, who beleives in controlled demolition, its just that they arent as adamant as that being the only topic that needs discussion.. there are similar people who harp on groups for not focusing on the pentagon frames, or whatever.. they typically claim 911truth covers up those topics, but they do discuss them, its just not the only thing they discuss.

in general, any 9/11 site that doesnt link to anyone else, doesnt show the variety of opinions, attacks other sites more than they provide 9/11 information, etc. is doing a disservice to new ppl to the movement.

glad your here.. i personally avoid all this internal discussion as much as possible.. the fact is that we need to bring more ppl in, and arguing amongst ourselves never gets us anywhere.. id rather spend my time bringing in new people.

[Gold9472]

i personally agree with controlled demolition (mainly because of WTC7), but that really is just an opinion, and thats it.

i have no issue at all with those who dont find it convincing, the fact is that until it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it is an opinion.

as for ppl harping on 911truth and others because they dont accept controlled demolition, that is bunk. 911truth is a big supporter of david ray griffin, who beleives in controlled demolition, its just that they arent as adamant as that being the only topic that needs discussion.. there are similar people who harp on groups for not focusing on the pentagon frames, or whatever.. they typically claim 911truth covers up those topics, but they do discuss them, its just not the only thing they discuss.

in general, any 9/11 site that doesnt link to anyone else, doesnt show the variety of opinions, attacks other sites more than they provide 9/11 information, etc. is doing a disservice to new ppl to the movement.

glad your here.. i personally avoid all this internal discussion as much as possible.. the fact is that we need to bring more ppl in, and arguing amongst ourselves never gets us anywhere.. id rather spend my time bringing in new people.

I've been known to get in a fight or two, but most of the time, it's for a reason. To show whomever is watching why fighting is wrong. Other times it's because I'm really pissed off. :)

[somebigguy]

I have to disagree with a couple statement here. The controlled demolitions are the smoking gun. If something has never happened in the history of mankind, it cannot happen three times in one day, there is your proof of an inside job.

Physics did not take the day off on 9/11. If something can happen on 9/11, then that same thing can happen any other day of the year. Since fires have never felled a building before or since, then it cannot happen on 9/11, therefore something else brought those towers down.

So, since we know the official story is a lie, we must examine all evidence to determine what really happened, we won't cherry pick the evidence like the government did. Conclusions are drawn based on a preponderance of all evidence, not what fits neatly in someones conspiracy theory.

When you couple the unprecedented collapses of the towers, with the dozens of reports of explosions, videos showing explosions, audio of explosions, Silverstein admitting he brought down one of the towers, foreknowledge of the collapses, the rate of freefall, the dust, the illegal removal of evidence, you can only come to one logical conclusion.

As for 911truth, I heard someone say they pushed mostly LIHOP, however on their website they have a picture of them with a banner stating 9/11 was an inside job, that tells me they are not LIHOP. But whatever, I take the good that each group does and use it as I see fit to spread the truth. If people wanna have petty arguments about who is right or wrong, then the disinfo agents are winning because the more time we fight amongst ourselves, the less time we are spreading the truth. Isn't that the goal of the disinfo movement? To cause dissent amongst the activists??? Well, I'm not falling for it and would strongly suggest nobody else does too.

Anyway, here's an article I wrote concerning the controlled demolition:

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3409&highlight=simple+logic+exposes+truth

Here's a flyer that focuses primarily on the demolitions as well:

HTML Version: http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.html
PDF Version: http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.pdf

[Gold9472]

I have to disagree with a couple statement here. The controlled demolitions are the smoking gun. If something has never happened in the history of mankind, it cannot happen three times in one day, there is your proof of an inside job.

Physics did not take the day off on 9/11. If something can happen on 9/11, then that same thing can happen any other day of the year. Since fires have never felled a building before or since, then it cannot happen on 9/11, therefore something else brought those towers down.

So, since we know the official story is a lie, we must examine all evidence to determine what really happened, we won't cherry pick the evidence like the government did. Conclusions are drawn based on a preponderance of all evidence, not what fits neatly in someones conspiracy theory.

When you couple the unprecedented collapses of the towers, with the dozens of reports of explosions, videos showing explosions, audio of explosions, Silverstein admitting he brought down one of the towers, foreknowledge of the collapses, the rate of freefall, the dust, the illegal removal of evidence, you can only come to one logical conclusion.

As for 911truth, I heard someone say they pushed mostly LIHOP, however on their website they have a picture of them with a banner stating 9/11 was an inside job, that tells me they are not LIHOP. But whatever, I take the good that each group does and use it as I see fit to spread the truth. If people wanna have petty arguments about who is right or wrong, then the disinfo agents are winning because the more time we fight amongst ourselves, the less time we are spreading the truth. Isn't that the goal of the disinfo movement? To cause dissent amongst the activists??? Well, I'm not falling for it and would strongly suggest nobody else does too.

Anyway, here's an article I wrote concerning the controlled demolition:

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3409&highlight=simple+logic+exposes+truth

Here's a flyer that focuses primarily on the demolitions as well:

HTML Version: http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.html
PDF Version: http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.pdf

And blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... ;) You know I love ya man...

Think on this... is that which has never happened before the "smoking gun", or that which HAS happened before the "smoking gun".... MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(BTW... I don't think there's any ONE piece of evidence that shows MIHOP, (and I HATE those terms. It reminds me of nigger, and kike.) because I can tell you from experience in bringing people along, that it takes a lot of talking, and pointing in the right direction for people to find the truth. At least for those people who don't ordinarily have an inquisitive nature. They have to find some of it for themselves in order to truly believe.)

[Gold9472]

BTW, so Dbl T doesn't get the wrong impression. We're all friends here. We can bullshit, and not get on anyone's nerves. You'll know when someone gets out of line. Because you'll see ME kick their ass. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. EVERYONE (including Victor, Lisa, Phil, and Nico, even though I don't like them.) Just because we don't agree on something doesn't mean we have to fight. Christ, how many disagreements have you had with your wives, your husbands, your children, your co-workers, etc... and yet, you still talk to them.

[somebigguy]

And blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... ;) You know I love ya man...

Think on this... is that which has never happened before the "smoking gun", or that which HAS happened before the "smoking gun".... MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(BTW... I don't think there's any ONE piece of evidence that shows MIHOP, (and I HATE those terms. It reminds me of nigger, and kike.) because I can tell you from experience in bringing people along, that it takes a lot of talking, and pointing in the right direction for people to find the truth. At least for those people who don't ordinarily have an inquisitive nature. They have to find some of it for themselves in order to truly believe.)
I don't like those terms either, but you gotta speak the language so...

I agree with you, people respond to different things, thats why different people using different methods is a good thing.

You only have to disprove one component of the official theory for the whole thing to come crashing down. If that is demolitions, the stand down, Bush's actions that day, it doesn't matter as long as you spread the truth. Whatever you're good at and understand well should be your focus. I like the demolitions myself!!!

[somebigguy]

BTW, so Dbl T doesn't get the wrong impression. We're all friends here. We can bullshit, and not get on anyone's nerves. You'll know when someone gets out of line. Because you'll see ME kick their ass. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. EVERYONE (including Victor, Lisa, Phil, and Nico, even though I don't like them.) Just because we don't agree on something doesn't mean we have to fight. Christ, how many disagreements have you had with your wives, your husbands, your children, your co-workers, etc... and yet, you still talk to them.
Thats right, Gold takes a lot of abuse around here. (You fat bastard).

[Gold9472]

I don't like those terms either, but you gotta speak the language so...

I agree with you, people respond to different things, thats why different people using different methods is a good thing.

You only have to disprove one component of the official theory for the whole thing to come crashing down. If that is demolitions, the stand down, Bush's actions that day, it doesn't matter as long as you spread the truth. Whatever you're good at and understand well should be your focus. I like the demolitions myself!!!

Get out. :blah1:

[Gold9472]

Thats right, Gold takes a lot of abuse around here. (You fat bastard).

That's right, I do... but I've learned that these are just words (most of the time, and when they're not, I TEAR 'EM UP), and that different people have different personalities (like dickwad said).

[Dble T]

Thanks for the views here. Especially liked the link to http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.html that somebigguy posted. Do any of you think that we are succeeding at bringing new people into the truth movement? Radio guys like Jay Martin, who has hosted for Ed Shultz on AirAmerica don't help us at all. At least Big Eddy lets a caller get their two cents in before canning the call.

[Gold9472]

Thanks for the views here. Especially liked the link to http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.html that somebigguy posted. Do any of you think that we are succeeding at bringing new people into the truth movement? Radio guys like Jay Martin, who has hosted for Ed Shultz on AirAmerica don't help us at all. At least Big Eddy lets a caller get their two cents in before canning the call.

Abso-frigginlutely.

[Dble T]

In the back of my The Nation mag their is an ad for a screening in LA. 9/11/05 has past us by but there is another screening tomorrow night. You can get the details at www.911Mysteries.com (http://www.911Mysteries.com) so if you live in that city you might want to go, especially with someone who is a bit of a skeptic. They will be giving out free "Loose Change" DVD's (http://loosechange911.com/) as I understand it. One thing I did not like is that in both "Loose Change" and "911 In Plane Site" they had that piece from the PowerHour guy that shows plane going into the WTC2 and there is a woman that runs by and screams "It was NOT a United Airlines plane that hit that tower" or something close to that. It sounded totally dubbed in and why would a woman be screaming that anyway? Why would someone know or even have an interest at that direct point in time of what airline it was? Makes no sense to me. Would appreciate your comments on that if anyone has some. Thanks.

[Gold9472]

There are people in the movement who have fabricated a few stories to benefit the sales of their movies. Simple.

[Dble T]

Do you think that Mr. Power Hour is with us or part of the dis-information campaign? He has a lot of good stuff in 911 InPlaneSite but that one thing can ruin it for a newbie and I know that from fact as a friend that was really starting to get into it kind of backed out after that. He felt that even if there was good material mixed in with bad stuff that he would look like a dummy because the questionable stuff outweighed the good. Unfortunate that Mr PowerHour is either too greedy or just plain dumb for including that in a video that didn't need it to get its point across.

[Gold9472]

I honestly have no clue who is a "Disinformant". I have no doubt that they exist, but I don't KNOW who they are... I have an idea, but don't know. I don't recommend many 9/11 movies. The ones I do recommend are, "The Great Conspiracy", "The Truth & Lies About 9/11", "Hijacking Catastrophe", and something else on the way...

[Gold9472]

Oh, and Painful Deceptions.

[Dble T]

Who did Truth & Lies about 911?

[Gold9472]

Who did Truth & Lies about 911?

Ruppert.

[911=inside job]

fuck ruppert!!!!! he seems like a big fat douche!!!! just thought i would do some in fighting!!! HAHAHAHHA!!!!!

hey new guy, im with you bud... i dont even like to show people inplane sight untill they are on board....

[Gold9472]

fuck ruppert!!!!! he seems like a big fat douche!!!! just thought i would do some in fighting!!! HAHAHAHHA!!!!!

hey new guy, im with you bud... i dont even like to show people inplane sight untill they are on board....

I've been turned off by Ruppert's 9/11 stance, I admit that, but his work is invaluable. I've also been turned off by his ego. But... his work is invaluable.

[somebigguy]

In the back of my The Nation mag their is an ad for a screening in LA. 9/11/05 has past us by but there is another screening tomorrow night. You can get the details at www.911Mysteries.com (http://www.911Mysteries.com) so if you live in that city you might want to go, especially with someone who is a bit of a skeptic. They will be giving out free "Loose Change" DVD's (http://loosechange911.com/) as I understand it. One thing I did not like is that in both "Loose Change" and "911 In Plane Site" they had that piece from the PowerHour guy that shows plane going into the WTC2 and there is a woman that runs by and screams "It was NOT a United Airlines plane that hit that tower" or something close to that. It sounded totally dubbed in and why would a woman be screaming that anyway? Why would someone know or even have an interest at that direct point in time of what airline it was? Makes no sense to me. Would appreciate your comments on that if anyone has some. Thanks.
Hey Dblt T, check out In Plane Site, the Directors Cut, they totally debunk that rumour. They slow down the video and you can actually see the lady screaming "That was not American Airlines".

[Gold9472]

He asked a great question. Why on earth would someone with no idea that planes were hijacked (granted a plane crashing into a building might be an indication of that), LET ALONE which planes were hijacked, scream, "That was not American Airlines" at the time it happened? I don't know dude, sounds pretty bogus to me.

[somebigguy]

He asked a great question. Why on earth would someone with no idea that planes were hijacked (granted a plane crashing into a building might be an indication of that), LET ALONE which planes were hijacked, scream, "That was not American Airlines" at the time it happened? I don't know dude, sounds pretty bogus to me.
Dude, she said it, if you don't believe me, watch the Director's cut, its there plain as day. Its further evidence that people are making baseless claims against IPS, they are guilty of what they accuse IPS of - not looking at the facts thoroughly. All they had to do was slow down the film to see the lady making the statement.

Get your head out of your ass, open your mind a little. Except for the "pod" bullshit, IPS and LC are great documentaries, I've heard that they are taking the pod out of Loose Change 2 which is even better news. I'll spread it around a lot more once they remove that one detail.

[Gold9472]

My head is comfortable in my ass. It helps me to think. It helps me to get opinions which I'm more than happy to share with you, and which I'm entitled to. I don't like letsroll911.org, period. Therefore, the chances of me ever endorsing something they did is slim to none. However, if the movie works for you, then more power to you.

[911=inside job]

see gold, you talk too much shit for no good reason... i quit this board!!! HAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!

whats wrong with the pod sbg?? HAHHAHA!!!! i think its something...

[911=inside job]

this is where gold calls me disinfo or phil... HAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! you better not call me phil!!!!

[somebigguy]

see gold, you talk too much shit for no good reason... i quit this board!!! HAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!

whats wrong with the pod sbg?? HAHHAHA!!!! i think its something...
Hey dude, it *could* be something, it could also be wing fairing. That is reasonable doubt and wouldn't stand up in any court. Therefore its pointless and we should concentrate on more ironclad evidence.

At the same time, people who believe in the pod should continue to research it if they really think something is there, however, they shouldn't lead with that when trying to spread the truth.

Controlled demo and the Norad standdown is where its at dude!!!!

[somebigguy]

this is where gold calls me disinfo or phil... HAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! you better not call me phil!!!!
What's that Phil?

[911=inside job]

gold you better take phils pic down or im going to take my posts and going home!!!!

[somebigguy]

gold you better take phils pic down or im going to take my posts and going home!!!!
Don't blame Gold for my meddling....

[911=inside job]

what, youre a mod too??? wtf??? HAHAHAH!!!!!

hey man, when you guys put lame pics by my name you make me look dumb in front of 6 people on the net.. thats fucked up.. lol...

[somebigguy]

Bahahaha!!!

[somebigguy]

I'll put a not so lame one up for you...

[911=inside job]

thanks.. i like the we have 300 members thread... 300 members but only 6 post... HAHAHHA!!!!!

[somebigguy]

thanks.. i like the we have 300 members thread... 300 members but only 6 post... HAHAHHA!!!!!
The other 290 or so are Jon's aliases!!!

[Gold9472]

Ah... Ha.... Ah... Ha... So... Funny.

[911=inside job]

he made a bunch like 911 = insideass and somebigfag in case we ever turn on him... poor jon..

hey, have you ever read about the franklin cover up on letsroll??? jesus... lol...

[somebigguy]

he made a bunch like 911 = insideass and somebigfag in case we ever turn on him... poor jon..

hey, have you ever read about the franklin cover up on letsroll??? jesus... lol...
No, fill us in...

[911=inside job]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/210704johndecamp.htm

like i allways say, i dont know if its true but if it is its fucked up....

[somebigguy]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/210704johndecamp.htm

like i allways say, i dont know if its true but if it is its fucked up....
Holy crap thats a long read. Give me the gist of it, I'm lazy!!!!

[911=inside job]

HAHAHAHAH!!!!! its about an old child sex ring that leads to the white house...

i cant believe you havent heard of it.. they talk about it on letsroll all the time....

[somebigguy]

HAHAHAHAH!!!!! its about an old child sex ring that leads to the white house...

i cant believe you havent heard of it.. they talk about it on letsroll all the time....
I've heard a little about that stuff, but haven't paid too much attention to it...

[911=inside job]

me either.. i just read about it for the first time yesterday....

[Gold9472]

Both LIHOP and MIHOP can co-exist. In my experience, LIHOP eventually turns into MIHOP anyway.

A lot of people have a hard time accepting that our Government would have a hand in it. It's until they see all of the evidence that they eventually follow suit.

I just think of my own experience with 9/11. At first, I wanted to carpet bomb the entire Middle East. Then, I started to see the reactions of our Government, and although I originally agreed with the idea of invading Afghanistan, I now know it was wrong.

Then I saw how the families had to fight for the creation of the Commission... Because the Bush Administration opposed it. It's not rocket science at the point. "Hmmm... what are they trying to hide.", and generally at that point, most people are "off to the races" as they say.

Other people research differently, and other people require different amounts of information. They get to a certain point in their research where they've been convinced, and make a decision that the truth must be told. For some, it's a different point than others. For others, we have to know everything.

The point is... just because someone isn't as far along as someone else in their research, doesn't mean we can chastize them. As I said, most LIHOP turn to MIHOP eventually. It's about having patience with other people around you. We don't have to get along, and we don't even have to like each other. We do, however, have to have a common goal, and that has ALWAYS been absolute truth, and absolute accountability. No matter where it leads.

[somebigguy]

LIHOP is somewhat necessary, those that are truly brainwashed will never accept the truth, but if we keep chipping away at this administrations credibility with easily proven and accepted LIHOP information, people will be more open to the truth in the end.

I'm using this method on one of my coworkers as we speak. He's got a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on his car and is completely brainwashed, but I've been chipping away for a while now and will be hitting him hard with the truth soon enough.

[Gold9472]

LIHOP is somewhat necessary, those that are truly brainwashed will never accept the truth, but if we keep chipping away at this administrations credibility with easily proven and accepted LIHOP information, people will be more open to the truth in the end.

I'm using this method on one of my coworkers as we speak. He's got a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on his car and is completely brainwashed, but I've been chipping away for a while now and will be hitting him hard with the truth soon enough.

I just heard a good segment on Air America... the Majority Report was talking about the Lancet study for 100,000 civilian casualties... and this well spoken, intelligent person called him up to dispute those numbers... "The U.S. News World Report says it's only 25,000", and the guy on the radio said, "Ok, how many deaths are acceptable?", and the guy COULD NOT answer it. They are SO friggin' brainwashed by Fox News...

[somebigguy]

I just heard a good segment on Air America... the Majority Report was talking about the Lancet study for 100,000 civilian casualties... and this well spoken, intelligent person called him up to dispute those numbers... "The U.S. News World Report says it's only 25,000", and the guy on the radio said, "Ok, how many deaths are acceptable?", and the guy COULD NOT answer it. They are SO friggin' brainwashed by Fox News...
I had the same argument with some doofus at one time on one of those loser boards. I made the statement that 100,000 Iraqis had been killed so far in the war, he said no, it's more like 20,000.

I gave him the same response, that 20,000 was acceptable to him, and the fucking idiot didn't know what to say.

[Gold9472]

I had the same argument with some doofus at one time on one of those loser boards. I made the statement that 100,000 Iraqis had been killed so far in the war, he said no, it's more like 20,000.

I gave him the same response, that 20,000 was acceptable to him, and the fucking idiot didn't know what to say.

George Galloway said something about it at the debates... this isn't verbatim, "Oh really, you think Johns Hopkins, one of the most reputal organizations in the world, would deceive us in their study? The American media has you so brainwashed"...

[somebigguy]

Well, the NFL is back in season, so the stupid quotient should be rising quickly.