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09-16-2005, 10:40 PM
David Kubiak Responds to Nico Haupt
http://911conspiracy.blogspot.com/
9/5/2005
David Kubiak, executive director of 911Truth.org until now, has departed for several months in Asia. From India, he writes the following response to an open letter circulated by Nico Haupt. (Those of you who don't know what this is about: please check back later for an intro and commentary.)
"Kubiak, explain your military connections!"
"OK, OK, they are umbilical, I confess..."
Nico,
Am currently traveling in India and have been rather gratefully out of touch with the doings of the Empire and the 24/7 rattle of manufactured news, propaganda and internet tirades. Occasionally do stop in a sweltering cybercafe to check the email spew and find you have been busy disgracing thyself again with astonishingly goofy smear attacks.
Let me begin by stating that since your first year or two of rather admirable work, I have watched you devolve into an increasingly credulous twit – always earnest, often adorable, but a twit nonetheless. I see from the screeching interrogation below, however, that you now aspire to the ranks of Torquemada, Robespierre and the House Un-American Activities Committee.
I guess it was inevitable that as the 9/11 movement widened we would develop our own fundamentalist fringe who would happily crucify anyone who did not share their brittle dogma and effectively splinter us from within. "Don't believe in holograms, pods, Pentagon missiles, America's Manifest Destiny, papal infallibility or the Virgin Birth? Would you prefer the rack, the garrote or a good old fashioned 'guilt by tertiary association' assassination smear?"
In earlier US movements these radical purist provocateurs were often well paid mercenaries, and many Pinkerton and cointelpro agents, for example, got quite decent dental plans. I know you well enough to realize you are not working for "them" in this regard, but think if you started handing out your recent resume you might find some surprisingly appreciative recognition and compensation thrown your way.
In any event, Nick Levis was wise and right to ignore you since there is real work going on, but I have a little time on my hands right now, so will humor your Monty Python reprise of the Grand Inquisitor's stance.
First off, I should clearly say that I am not writing on behalf of 911truth.org or any members thereof. These are all quite personal reflections on the pathetic internecine war now going on, and why if Rove is not paying you now, he's a bungling ingrate of the first order.
Regarding 911truth.org, however, there are a few things I can say. One is that we chose quite consciously and early on, that capital punishment for treason was quite sufficient justice for our cause. LIHOP was treason, MIHOP was treason, so we really didn't care if we hung the bastards with a six or twelve foot rope as long as all the relevant feet twitched in the air.
All that concerned us was building the case, outrage and public support necessary to achieve this task. Unmasking the fraud of 9/11 was not only critical to halting fascist consolidation and the accelerating war machine, it also stripped bare the malignant roots of the entire corporate coup d'état. In other words, it offered a teachable moment to awaken the fat, dumb and hapless populace to the scale of bipartisan perfidy and corruption now running the spectacle we see.
The peculiar virtue of the current crowd was their overt corporate codependence, documented aspirations for full spectrum dominance, total reliance on fear-driven obedience, and obvious ruthlessness toward anyone or thing that dared stand in their way. Exposing and hanging them would not simply gratify the thirst for justice, it could educate an entire generation to the murderous corruption that has usurped our democracy since Kennedy's death and now is nearing global control.
That is the real issue at hand, not the posturing of a half-retarded, fully scripted Howdy Doody dolt like Bush, not even the bloody conquest of a few oil-rich lands, and certainly not your stupid and self-righteous litmus tests about which 9/11 scenarios are canonical and which are not.
9/11 was just another means to the long sought end of monotonic economic dominance of every inch of earthly life. It has succeeded thus far, and will continue to as long as you insist on turning the issue into dogmatic religious cult. September 11 was not just a cold-blooded overreach, it was critical instrument of global dominion, greed and war. We can only redeem and reverse its meaning by reverently exploiting it to wake the world. This is a painful purging process and demands more sustained courage and effort from the American public than we have ever witnessed before. We have seen such popular heroism recently in the Philippines, Chiapas and Eastern Europe so we know it is humanly possible, but we also know that fear, ignorance and disinformation here are more powerful than ever too.
We in the movement all know how central 9/11 now is to maintaining fear, centralizing control and terminating democracy, and that is why so many of us virtually destroyed our lives to see this education, discovery and contagious awakening process through. That is why it is so inexpressibly annoying to have to deal with ankle-biters like thee who are far more concerned with 9/11's tactical trivia than world engulfing holocaust those murders put in play.
In any event, if only for the benefit of your extensive cc list, quite a number of whom I do respect, let us now repair to the thumbscrew room where I shall gladly give you all the facts you seek (plus a few editorial ejaculations regarding the quality of your work).
You wrote:
:: David Kubiak,
:: it's time to finally speak out and please don't send your backers to do the dirty work for you.
:: There is some serious background information about 911truth.org and now you have the opportunity to speak out in front of other popular 9/11 researchers, -authors and -activists. Your final answers will be mirrored here: http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7803
:: Please keep in mind, that 911truth.org member Nic Levis aka Jack Riddler didn't respond on any of these informations yet and only tried to distract with logistical issues of your so called "9/11 truth protest march" and instead stated, that i fabricated facts.
:: So let's go through these facts step by step by answering the following questions:
:: 1) Are you still in touch with Russ George, who presented seminars at U.S. Secretary of the Navy, NASA Space Power Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, The Naval Research Laboratory, Lockheed Martin Corporation and other military organizations?
Answer) I am not only still in touch with him, I am working with him to make two projects happen that would help end global warming and terminate the rule of energy corporations and dependence on fossil fuel. All this activity is documented in some detail at http://planktosinc.com and http://d2fusion.com.
Russ's unpaid lectures to the above organizations were about his cold fusion work and essentially warned them that this new phenomenon would not only change the world of physics, it would unrecognizably alter their political, economic and security environments as well. He was rarely if ever invited back.
Interogatee Editorial Observation (IEO): You are a twit.
:: 2) You worked with Professor Dr. Y.C. Zhang at the Tsinghua University. Are you aware, that this University received donations by the James Baker Institute and their Micro-Nuclear Technology research?
A) I knew, assisted and still greatly admire Dr. Zhang at Osaka University where she was doing all the instrument engineering and experimental design for Dr. Yoshiaka Arata, Japan's foremost hot fusion physicist who had gone rogue and was then doing cutting edge research in cold fusion at the time. I helped them with their English correspondence, journal report editing, and getting their work replicated in foreign labs.
And are you really not aware, Nico, that virtually every major university on the planet has received questionable funding from some very unsavory hands at some point in time?
IEO: You are a dolt.
:: 3) Can you explain in one sentence, why this "cold fusion" research is from any pratical use and how can you assure an independent research, not abused by any military influence?
A) By 2010 cold fusion reactors the size of dishwasher will offer every household in the industrial world a clean, cheap and totally decentralized source of heating and electrical power. Larger community facilities will electrolyze water into oxygen and hydrogen offering pollutionless vehicular fuel, and can also be used to cheaply power recycling facilities, public transport systems and seawater desalinization plants. This breakthrough will not only end our foreign fossil fuel dependence and forestall the imminent water crisis, it will shatter the economic and political power of our dominant energy corporations, and return an extraordinary measure of autonomy to communities around the world.
I can't guarantee the military won't try to abuse it anymore than I can assure you they won't try to abuse the power of the computer, internal combustion or the washing machine.
IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language and research disserve us all.
:: 4) Have you ever been in touch with japanese intelligence or -intelligence contractors or US intelligence or -intelligence contractors? What about military contractors?
No.
IEO: You are a twit.
:: 5) How was 911Citizen's Watch able to rent space in the very same building, when the first meeting of the 911 Commission took place? Did the connection of some 9/11 family members help and if so, who was it?
A) They cunningly looked in the phone book, called up the building rental office, and rented the room just as you or anyone with $1200 could have done that day.
:: Did the connection of Guy Vantresca (ex-NSA) help? Is Guy Vantresca still in touch with 911truth.org?
A) Guy has never "been in touch with" or had anything to do with 911truth.org (although he did help me buy a computer cable once).
:: (In case you wanna refer to Kyle Hence to answer this, it's your choice, though Hence is still connected with 911truth.org via registration and public events)
A) Kyle remains an important ancestral spirit of 911truth.org, and through his C-SPAN work, web networking, and impeccable event organizing has done more to open up the public mind to 9/11 skepticism than you will ever comprehend.
IEO: You are a dolt.
:: 6) Can you explain, why the "support" of the following persons who signed your 'truth petition', are helpful for 911truth.org and the 9/11 truth movement?::
:: Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D.-a member of the ultra-hawkish neocon think tank, Committee on the Present Danger, whose honorary chair is George Shultz (Bechtel). Jim Garrison, Ph.D.-founder of the State of the World Forum with Mikhail Gorbachev and co-founder with Jesuit Daniel Sheehan of the Christic Institute, which was widely suspected of deliberately bungling and wrecking Iran-Contra investigations in the 1980s.
:: John Gray, Ph.D., -associated with weapon dealer Adnan Khashoggi
:: Daniel Ellsberg, ex-RAND Corporation employee, who's supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11
:: Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, who's supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11
:: Melvin Goodman, former Senior Analyst, CIA, who's supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11
:: Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. New Hampshire venture finance tycoon Goulder was the founder of defence electronics giant Sanders Associates which was acquired by Lockheed/Martin in the 1980s and is now known as BAE Systems.
:: John Cobb, Ph.D., associated with Club of Rome member and former World Bank economist, Herman Daly (Daly has also worked with the U.S. Sustainable Population Policy Project).
:: Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., co-author of a 1974 report from Stanford Research Institute together with Willis Harman and Duane Elgin (Club of Rome). One of SRI's main funding sources is Bechtel (as in, George Shultz's Bechtel).
:: David Korten, joined the new generation of Club of Rome.
A) The 9/11 Truth Statement was a call for a new criminal investigation that outlined a list of dramatic indications that the official story was a pack of lies and government foreknowledge and complicity were quite apparently involved.
We then threw it out to a suprapartisan audience of non-movement figures who had nothing personal to gain from publicizing this demand. We were just trying to demonstrate that 9/11 skepticism had escaped the sweaty basements of usual suspect paranoia and pave the way for ordinary people from every political and religious persuasion to feel safer expressing their doubts and seconding the independent criminal inquiry demand.
We didn't give a damn who signed really as long as they believed the official story was a fraud and were respected by a sizable constituency whom 9/11 activists had no normal recourse to and we could thus hope to finally reach.
IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose lazy and ignorant free association witch-hunts disserve us all.
:: 7) Why did you stop supporting former 9/11 Truth presidential candidate John Buchanan, after he was allegedly arrested by Secret Service?
End Part I
http://911conspiracy.blogspot.com/
9/5/2005
David Kubiak, executive director of 911Truth.org until now, has departed for several months in Asia. From India, he writes the following response to an open letter circulated by Nico Haupt. (Those of you who don't know what this is about: please check back later for an intro and commentary.)
"Kubiak, explain your military connections!"
"OK, OK, they are umbilical, I confess..."
Nico,
Am currently traveling in India and have been rather gratefully out of touch with the doings of the Empire and the 24/7 rattle of manufactured news, propaganda and internet tirades. Occasionally do stop in a sweltering cybercafe to check the email spew and find you have been busy disgracing thyself again with astonishingly goofy smear attacks.
Let me begin by stating that since your first year or two of rather admirable work, I have watched you devolve into an increasingly credulous twit – always earnest, often adorable, but a twit nonetheless. I see from the screeching interrogation below, however, that you now aspire to the ranks of Torquemada, Robespierre and the House Un-American Activities Committee.
I guess it was inevitable that as the 9/11 movement widened we would develop our own fundamentalist fringe who would happily crucify anyone who did not share their brittle dogma and effectively splinter us from within. "Don't believe in holograms, pods, Pentagon missiles, America's Manifest Destiny, papal infallibility or the Virgin Birth? Would you prefer the rack, the garrote or a good old fashioned 'guilt by tertiary association' assassination smear?"
In earlier US movements these radical purist provocateurs were often well paid mercenaries, and many Pinkerton and cointelpro agents, for example, got quite decent dental plans. I know you well enough to realize you are not working for "them" in this regard, but think if you started handing out your recent resume you might find some surprisingly appreciative recognition and compensation thrown your way.
In any event, Nick Levis was wise and right to ignore you since there is real work going on, but I have a little time on my hands right now, so will humor your Monty Python reprise of the Grand Inquisitor's stance.
First off, I should clearly say that I am not writing on behalf of 911truth.org or any members thereof. These are all quite personal reflections on the pathetic internecine war now going on, and why if Rove is not paying you now, he's a bungling ingrate of the first order.
Regarding 911truth.org, however, there are a few things I can say. One is that we chose quite consciously and early on, that capital punishment for treason was quite sufficient justice for our cause. LIHOP was treason, MIHOP was treason, so we really didn't care if we hung the bastards with a six or twelve foot rope as long as all the relevant feet twitched in the air.
All that concerned us was building the case, outrage and public support necessary to achieve this task. Unmasking the fraud of 9/11 was not only critical to halting fascist consolidation and the accelerating war machine, it also stripped bare the malignant roots of the entire corporate coup d'état. In other words, it offered a teachable moment to awaken the fat, dumb and hapless populace to the scale of bipartisan perfidy and corruption now running the spectacle we see.
The peculiar virtue of the current crowd was their overt corporate codependence, documented aspirations for full spectrum dominance, total reliance on fear-driven obedience, and obvious ruthlessness toward anyone or thing that dared stand in their way. Exposing and hanging them would not simply gratify the thirst for justice, it could educate an entire generation to the murderous corruption that has usurped our democracy since Kennedy's death and now is nearing global control.
That is the real issue at hand, not the posturing of a half-retarded, fully scripted Howdy Doody dolt like Bush, not even the bloody conquest of a few oil-rich lands, and certainly not your stupid and self-righteous litmus tests about which 9/11 scenarios are canonical and which are not.
9/11 was just another means to the long sought end of monotonic economic dominance of every inch of earthly life. It has succeeded thus far, and will continue to as long as you insist on turning the issue into dogmatic religious cult. September 11 was not just a cold-blooded overreach, it was critical instrument of global dominion, greed and war. We can only redeem and reverse its meaning by reverently exploiting it to wake the world. This is a painful purging process and demands more sustained courage and effort from the American public than we have ever witnessed before. We have seen such popular heroism recently in the Philippines, Chiapas and Eastern Europe so we know it is humanly possible, but we also know that fear, ignorance and disinformation here are more powerful than ever too.
We in the movement all know how central 9/11 now is to maintaining fear, centralizing control and terminating democracy, and that is why so many of us virtually destroyed our lives to see this education, discovery and contagious awakening process through. That is why it is so inexpressibly annoying to have to deal with ankle-biters like thee who are far more concerned with 9/11's tactical trivia than world engulfing holocaust those murders put in play.
In any event, if only for the benefit of your extensive cc list, quite a number of whom I do respect, let us now repair to the thumbscrew room where I shall gladly give you all the facts you seek (plus a few editorial ejaculations regarding the quality of your work).
You wrote:
:: David Kubiak,
:: it's time to finally speak out and please don't send your backers to do the dirty work for you.
:: There is some serious background information about 911truth.org and now you have the opportunity to speak out in front of other popular 9/11 researchers, -authors and -activists. Your final answers will be mirrored here: http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7803
:: Please keep in mind, that 911truth.org member Nic Levis aka Jack Riddler didn't respond on any of these informations yet and only tried to distract with logistical issues of your so called "9/11 truth protest march" and instead stated, that i fabricated facts.
:: So let's go through these facts step by step by answering the following questions:
:: 1) Are you still in touch with Russ George, who presented seminars at U.S. Secretary of the Navy, NASA Space Power Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, The Naval Research Laboratory, Lockheed Martin Corporation and other military organizations?
Answer) I am not only still in touch with him, I am working with him to make two projects happen that would help end global warming and terminate the rule of energy corporations and dependence on fossil fuel. All this activity is documented in some detail at http://planktosinc.com and http://d2fusion.com.
Russ's unpaid lectures to the above organizations were about his cold fusion work and essentially warned them that this new phenomenon would not only change the world of physics, it would unrecognizably alter their political, economic and security environments as well. He was rarely if ever invited back.
Interogatee Editorial Observation (IEO): You are a twit.
:: 2) You worked with Professor Dr. Y.C. Zhang at the Tsinghua University. Are you aware, that this University received donations by the James Baker Institute and their Micro-Nuclear Technology research?
A) I knew, assisted and still greatly admire Dr. Zhang at Osaka University where she was doing all the instrument engineering and experimental design for Dr. Yoshiaka Arata, Japan's foremost hot fusion physicist who had gone rogue and was then doing cutting edge research in cold fusion at the time. I helped them with their English correspondence, journal report editing, and getting their work replicated in foreign labs.
And are you really not aware, Nico, that virtually every major university on the planet has received questionable funding from some very unsavory hands at some point in time?
IEO: You are a dolt.
:: 3) Can you explain in one sentence, why this "cold fusion" research is from any pratical use and how can you assure an independent research, not abused by any military influence?
A) By 2010 cold fusion reactors the size of dishwasher will offer every household in the industrial world a clean, cheap and totally decentralized source of heating and electrical power. Larger community facilities will electrolyze water into oxygen and hydrogen offering pollutionless vehicular fuel, and can also be used to cheaply power recycling facilities, public transport systems and seawater desalinization plants. This breakthrough will not only end our foreign fossil fuel dependence and forestall the imminent water crisis, it will shatter the economic and political power of our dominant energy corporations, and return an extraordinary measure of autonomy to communities around the world.
I can't guarantee the military won't try to abuse it anymore than I can assure you they won't try to abuse the power of the computer, internal combustion or the washing machine.
IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language and research disserve us all.
:: 4) Have you ever been in touch with japanese intelligence or -intelligence contractors or US intelligence or -intelligence contractors? What about military contractors?
No.
IEO: You are a twit.
:: 5) How was 911Citizen's Watch able to rent space in the very same building, when the first meeting of the 911 Commission took place? Did the connection of some 9/11 family members help and if so, who was it?
A) They cunningly looked in the phone book, called up the building rental office, and rented the room just as you or anyone with $1200 could have done that day.
:: Did the connection of Guy Vantresca (ex-NSA) help? Is Guy Vantresca still in touch with 911truth.org?
A) Guy has never "been in touch with" or had anything to do with 911truth.org (although he did help me buy a computer cable once).
:: (In case you wanna refer to Kyle Hence to answer this, it's your choice, though Hence is still connected with 911truth.org via registration and public events)
A) Kyle remains an important ancestral spirit of 911truth.org, and through his C-SPAN work, web networking, and impeccable event organizing has done more to open up the public mind to 9/11 skepticism than you will ever comprehend.
IEO: You are a dolt.
:: 6) Can you explain, why the "support" of the following persons who signed your 'truth petition', are helpful for 911truth.org and the 9/11 truth movement?::
:: Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D.-a member of the ultra-hawkish neocon think tank, Committee on the Present Danger, whose honorary chair is George Shultz (Bechtel). Jim Garrison, Ph.D.-founder of the State of the World Forum with Mikhail Gorbachev and co-founder with Jesuit Daniel Sheehan of the Christic Institute, which was widely suspected of deliberately bungling and wrecking Iran-Contra investigations in the 1980s.
:: John Gray, Ph.D., -associated with weapon dealer Adnan Khashoggi
:: Daniel Ellsberg, ex-RAND Corporation employee, who's supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11
:: Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, who's supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11
:: Melvin Goodman, former Senior Analyst, CIA, who's supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11
:: Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. New Hampshire venture finance tycoon Goulder was the founder of defence electronics giant Sanders Associates which was acquired by Lockheed/Martin in the 1980s and is now known as BAE Systems.
:: John Cobb, Ph.D., associated with Club of Rome member and former World Bank economist, Herman Daly (Daly has also worked with the U.S. Sustainable Population Policy Project).
:: Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., co-author of a 1974 report from Stanford Research Institute together with Willis Harman and Duane Elgin (Club of Rome). One of SRI's main funding sources is Bechtel (as in, George Shultz's Bechtel).
:: David Korten, joined the new generation of Club of Rome.
A) The 9/11 Truth Statement was a call for a new criminal investigation that outlined a list of dramatic indications that the official story was a pack of lies and government foreknowledge and complicity were quite apparently involved.
We then threw it out to a suprapartisan audience of non-movement figures who had nothing personal to gain from publicizing this demand. We were just trying to demonstrate that 9/11 skepticism had escaped the sweaty basements of usual suspect paranoia and pave the way for ordinary people from every political and religious persuasion to feel safer expressing their doubts and seconding the independent criminal inquiry demand.
We didn't give a damn who signed really as long as they believed the official story was a fraud and were respected by a sizable constituency whom 9/11 activists had no normal recourse to and we could thus hope to finally reach.
IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose lazy and ignorant free association witch-hunts disserve us all.
:: 7) Why did you stop supporting former 9/11 Truth presidential candidate John Buchanan, after he was allegedly arrested by Secret Service?
End Part I