ok, whats everyone think about chemtrails?

[911=inside job]

i have been seeing them everyday lately!!!! i just walked outside and there is a huge one in the sky....

something is going on with them but i have no idea what.... please tell me what you think... this is driving me crazy...

[Gold9472]

Bunch o' hooey... one of those things to distract from everything else that's going on...

[911=inside job]

Bunch o' hooey... one of those things to distract from everything else that's going on...
no fucking way!!!!! i dont buy that for a second... do you ever see them???

[Gold9472]

no fucking way!!!!! i dont buy that for a second... do you ever see them???

I admit, that since becoming aware of the "Chemtrails theory", whenever I see a streak in the sky, I think, "hmmmm... is that one?", however, I can't prove it either way, so I don't focus on it...

[911=inside job]

i watch the planes make them everyday just about.... i live close to two airports so i see all sorts of planes everyday, but these ones fly very high and leave a huge line across the sky... the other day i watch two planes on the same path(miles aways from each other) laying lines then came back and did the same thing an hour later..

like i said, there is something going on and i dont know what it is...

[911=inside job]

I admit, that since becoming aware of the "Chemtrails theory", whenever I see a streak in the sky, I think, "hmmmm... is that one?", however, I can't prove it either way, so I don't focus on it...
i dont focus on it either but its one of the only things i see everyday yet i dont have any clue what it is... that is odd to me....

[ThotPolice]

Isn't it just exhaust?

[911=inside job]

Isn't it just exhaust?
no. only a very few plane leave the lines...

[911=inside job]

pg must see them too... someone tell him to start looking...

[911=inside job]

ok, today these things are fucking insane... there is 5 or more of these "chemtrails" in the sky above my house right now and i took pics... ill send them to gold later and have him post them in this thread (if he would be so kind)..

[Gold9472]

ok, today these things are fucking insane... there is 5 or more of these "chemtrails" in the sky above my house right now and i took pics... ill send them to gold later and have him post them in this thread (if he would be so kind)..

First, you must bring me the broom of the Wicked Witch of the West.

[somebigguy]

First, you must bring me the broom of the Wicked Witch of the West.
U R Gay

[aceace]

Here's all you need to know about Chem-trails.

http://members.aol.com/doestar/chemtrails.html


They spray over my house on either wed or thurs and its almost every week now. Heres a recent picture . Near my house.

http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/aceace/chemtrailpics/chemtrails002.jpg

http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/aceace/chemtrailpics/chemtrails014.jpg

[Gold9472]

U R Gay

It was on last night... or the night before... so sue me. No, I'm not infatuated with Judy Garland, and I especially hate the Republican troll that uses that name.

[aceace]

http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/aceace/chemtrailpics/chemtrails013.jpg

http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/aceace/chemtrailpics/chemtrails012.jpg

http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/aceace/chemtrailpics/chemtrails005.jpg

[Rebel Patriot]

I would not be suprised if they were real. However, until the people really take back the government and kick out the crap and scum that currently occupy the command and control of the shadow govt, we won't know for sure.

[911=inside job]

ace, those look just like the ones over my house today... ill check out you link right now...

rp, theyre real!!! i dont know what they are but im not seeing things....

[Gold9472]

Dude... they're contrails.

[jetsetlemming]

I've seen them for years, I always was told it was jet exaust.

[911=inside job]

Dude... they're contrails.
are you joking?? i hope so.. i see planes flying overhead all day and nothing comes out of them!!!!

[Gold9472]

are you joking?? i hope so.. i see planes flying overhead all day and nothing comes out of them!!!!

It depends on the type of engine they use... c'mon man... I've seen those my whole life.

[jetsetlemming]

That link that aceace posted said they were from christ...

[jetsetlemming]

I never knew he was an aeronautical engineer, but to each his own, I guess.

[princesskittypoo]

if chem trails exist why do we have them now? to kill off things or to make things grow bigger? to make hurricanes massive or to create something in the environment that would be able to knock them down smaller?
are we a government for the people or to destroy the people?

[911=inside job]

It depends on the type of engine they use... c'mon man... I've seen those my whole life.
no one is saying they just started...

[911=inside job]

That link that aceace posted said they were from christ...
thats the problem, every site i goto says something that turns me off... you lose me once god is brought up....

[911=inside job]

gold have you seen them in the same pattern as in ace's pic???

[ThotPolice]

I’ve seen them in Canada too, with the criss crossing patterns; the sky is ugly with them.

What would the gov or gov’s have to gain from purposefully destroying the environment or exposing everyone to toxins?

Recent cunuck studies reveal we may all be chalk full of a myriad of toxins!

http://www.herald.ns.ca/Front/463568.html

[911=inside job]

from the link above... thanks thot!!


Canadians’ blood awash in toxins
First-ever nationwide probe finds soup of pollutants in 11 volunteers; watchdog calls for leash on chemicals
By DENNIS BUECKERT The Canadian Press


OTTAWA — The average Canadian has more than hockey in his blood; there are also flame retardants, stain removers, heavy metals, PCBs and volatile organic compounds, says an environmental group.

Blood and urine tests of 11 volunteers from Saltspring Island, B.C., to St. John’s, N.L., found scores of toxic chemicals suspected of causing everything from cancer to learning disabilities, says a report by Toronto-based Environmental Defence.

On average, each of the volunteers showed blood contamination by more than 40 compounds, as well as urine contamination by a number of pesticides.

Environmental Defence says it’s the first nationwide study of blood and urine contamination in Canada, although similar results have been obtained in the United States and Britain.

Despite the small sample size of the study, the results reflect a national problem, said Sarah Winterton, program director with Environmental Defence, who had her own blood tested for the study.

She noted the 11 volunteers came from different parts of the country, different types of communities, different ethnic backgrounds, professions and age categories.

"It’s not like we all had dinner together and had blood poisoning the next day," said Winterton in an interview. "The only thing this group of people had in common was that they live in Canada.

"It’s a glimpse of what everybody has in them."

Volunteers included B.C. wildlife artist Robert Bateman, St. John’s filmmaker Mary Sexton, and David Masty, chief of the Whapmagoostui First Nation in northern Quebec.

Masty had the highest levels of mercury contamination despite living far from heavy industry.

Rick Smith, executive director of Environmental Defence, said the results underline the need for tighter regulation on toxic chemicals under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act (CEPA).

One of the few bits of good news in the report is that PCB concentrations were much lower in young volunteers, which he attributed to the PCB ban imposed about 10 years ago.

The study notes the number of new cases of cancer in Canada has increased 54.4 per cent since the 1980s, while cancer deaths have increased by 43.4 per cent.

Although researchers often blame rising cancer incidence on Canada’s aging population, data show incidence has increased among Canadians aged 20 to 44, says the report.

"The types of cancer most common among this age group differ from those among older people, which suggests that risk factors other than age may be responsible for certain types of cancer."

Among the study’s recommendations:

•Virtual elimination of all releases of carcinogens to the air and water by 2008.

•A ban on brominated flame retardants.

•Expanding CEPA to cover chemicals used in consumer products, not just those released to the environment.

•Requiring industry to prove the safety of its chemicals before they are introduced, rather than testing them for toxicity after they are in use.

The blood and urine tests were conducted by Centre de Toxicologie, Institute National de Sante Publique du Quebec and Accu-Chem Laboratories of Richardson, Texas.



’It’s not like we all had dinner together and had blood poisoning the next day. The only thing this group of people had in common was that they live in Canada. It’s a glimpse of what everybody has in them.’
SARAH WINTERTONEnvironmental Defence program director
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[amman254]

sorry, living in europe, chemtrails is a new one for me....

and what is being said in the above article is just the good old shit that we are breathing, eating, drinking, and living in, everyday in our usual industrial countryside. tests show that even in the deepest parts of the pacific and atlantic, there are all kinds of toxins, and what have you to be found. we have won the war on completely poisoning our own environment....right?

but chemtrails....not so sure.

for years i have called these things vapor trails, or is that not a used term any more? and for the fact that some planes leave vapor trails and others don't. there is an easy explanation for that...

you will not find any planes under a certain altitude leaving vapor trails, because the condensed water from the engines is absorbed into the atmosphere. only at an altitude where the atmosphere is so thin, (and i think the temperature plays a roll here also), the condensed water appears as "steam", "fog", or what have you. you will also see no "chemtrails" from planes flying at lower altitudes. it's all an altitude thing.

please correct me if my home baked physics slipped up on me here.

[Rebel Patriot]

http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20050819/headline1.html


Editor's Note: Las Vegas residents are increasingly noticing the appearance of chemical trails overhead. They appear EVERY weekend without fail, the only exception being the two weeks after September 11, 2001. Such "chemtrails" are substantially different in appearance to the normal condensation trails left by jet airliners. The difference is that while condensation trails are composed of water vapor that dissipates rapidly, "chemtrails" linger much longer and spread out over time to eventually cover the sky with a thin haze. This week the Las Vegas Tribune begins a two-part article to examine the undeniable and mysterious phenomena of Chemtrails Over Las Vegas.

Last year a concerned reader wrote to the Idaho Observer: "Driving across Idaho and Nevada we saw normal condensation trails in the skies above north Idaho and we were habitually looking up as we drove toward Las Vegas. We had noticed that the sparsely populated areas in Nevada had brilliantly clear blue skies and that the occasional airplane left vapor trails that dissipated normally. But as soon as we neared Las Vegas, in the skies directly above the city, we watched what appeared to be a military C-135 Transports spraying something over the populated areas. When the planes were no longer directly over Las Vegas, they continued flying leaving a vapor trail that dissipated normally."

It has been reported that the "chemtrails" contain ethylene dibromide -- a substance that has been an additive to gasoline and airplane fuels as well as a banned pesticide. Ethylene dibromide has been linked to kidney and liver damage and is an immunosuppressive and a lung irritant.

William Thomas, who has researched chemtrails since their appearance in the latter 90s, has noted stunted plant growth in once-healthy gardens and wilderness areas in Santa Fe and Aspen. Similar
plant problems are commonly associated with chemtrails in other regions of the U.S.

A brief history of the chemtrail phenomenon can be traced to a Washington state man who told award-winning investigative reporter William Thomas that he'd become ill on New Year's Day 1999 after watching several jets make strange lines in the sky. Within six months, Thomas, writing primarily for the Environmental News Service, has detailed 1000s of eyewitness reports of chemtrails from 40 states.

"Mainstream newspapers have gone out of their way to dismiss these eyewitness accounts," Thomas told the New Mexican newspaper in June 1999, "It's easier to sell UFOs to major media than a phenomena as close in many cities as the nearest window."

Especially disturbing for residents of heavily chemtrailed communities like Las Vegas is a "chemtrail sickness" associated with heavy spray days leaving many stricken people complaining of the "flu" and acute allergic reactions months after the flu season has ended. Upper and lower respiratory and gastrointestinal ailments remain unusually high in many spray areas, along with debilitating fatigue - and something even more worrying.

What's going on?

Thomas is convinced that we are under "deliberate biological attack" by agents known only to top military and government officials responsible for permitting continuing over-flights by unmarked spray aircraft.

Government officials deny that anything unusual is taking place, yet increasing numbers of concerned observers are seeing 727-like aircraft painted "all-white with a black stripe up the middle of fuselage" laying long and often cries-crossing chemtrail patterns over Southern Nevada and elsewhere. None of the planes carry identifying markings.

Pat Edgar has been watching the jets spraying over eastern Oklahoma since a sunny day in October, 1997 when as many as 30 contrails gradually occluded the sky. "They look like they're playing tic-tac-toe up there," he says. "You know darn well it's not passenger planes." Edgar says he has watched "cob-webbing stuff coming down" from the zigzagging jets flying "all day long, line after line, back-and-forth, like furrows in a farm field." Edgar adds "There is a lot of Lupus in the area now. A lot of women have come down with it."

One source, who spoke to the Tribune under condition of anonymity, working as a civilian archeologist on government land throughout Nevada, began to notice "all white unmarked aircraft" preparing for take-off at Nellis AFB and at the Mancamp Complex near Tonapah in the late-90s. "It was these unmarked planes that were constantly laying down the criss-crossing X patterns of lingering chemical-spray trails over Southern Nevada." When the archeologist asked the military escort who accompanied the civilian research team into 'sensitive' areas around Nellis, about the planes, the reply received was, "You didn't see anything."

Another Las Vegas resident, Sandy Range, grew up within an outdoors field and stream-type family and has been watching the weather and the skies all her life. Holding a degree from Syracuse University, Range moved to Las Vegas in 1989. "I first began to notice the chemtrails in late '96 - 14 criss-crossed miles-long vapor trails that didn't evaporate like the norm. I began to see them weekly, then daily," Range states matter-of-factly.

Article continues at the link....

[ThotPolice]

If this were true it would be very expensive, it would also harm EVERYONE including the people behind it and their loved ones.

What is the purpose? Why would they do it? What is to be gained? I can’t think of anything rational.

Industries poison us for free.

[simuvac]

Germans confirm military use of chemtrails:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVc9GX5K_As

Originally posted here:

http://fv911truth.bravejournal.com/entry/24300

[MrDark71]

Dude... they're contrails.

Actually Gold..contrails disperse within minutes by very nature ....as to what these "trails" are...who knows .....but they do know it's not jet exhaust.

[Chana3812]

I been aware of chemtrails for several years now. They spray them ALL FUCKING DAY LONG in Tampa, and then when they start to disperse and drop, the air gets all slimy and full of spider webs type things. These webs hang in my oak trees.

There are lots of videos on YouTube of people, just like me, who are aware that chemtrails exist, can document their output, but are clueless as to what the hell they are doing to us and why.

Carnicom's video suggests several theories - to make the population dependant on big pharma - respiratory disease, etc., to manipulate the atmosphere so that huge EMP weapons work better, and to help with the global warming solution - block the sun with the giant aluminum clouds.

Whatever the reason - these CHEMTRAILS DO EXIST! AND NO ONE WANTS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM. It's another fucking thing the government is doing to the people without their knowledge.

BTW - I watched a chemtrail tanker fly over my house and his load was obviously running out - the trail became intermittent and eventually quit squirting out his plane. I jumped in my car and followed the path of this plane due south. It was easy to spot - ALL WHITE PLANE - flying lower than usual.

The plane eventually went down to a landing somewhere close to MACDILL AIRFORCE BASE. THAT'S WHERE CENTCOM HQ IS !! I live about six miles from MacDill.
http://www.centcom.mil/sites/uscentcom2/default.aspx

I've wanted to move away from this godforsaken red-neck town for many years now, but I can't sell my house - the real estate industry has collapsed in FLorida. I fear that if when strike Iran, and they decide to nuke us, or ANYONE DECIDES TO STRIKE THE US, for our general misbehavior in the world, hell ,... what a better strike than CentCom - right here in Tampa.

I hate this fucking place :(

[simuvac]

What I find interesting about the German video I posted above is that it suggests in Germany chemtrails are the byproduct of some kind of war games exercises. The meterologist in the video seems to be saying that the clouds of chemtrails he has studied jam radar, and are related to military exercises.

[AuGmENTor]

Was it here that I read the email from the aviation mechanic that had found wierd tanks and such back where they keep the holding tanks for the lavatories? See. there is a pecking order for these mechanics, and they don't do the shitty work, there is a seperate crew for that.Long story short was the hanger was short handed, and they told this guy to get in there and service a waste valve or some such, at which point he found all of this odd equipment. When he inquired about it, he was told to mind his own business. Then he was suspended for three days for no appearant reason. He waited a while, moved and got a new job, and then posted everything. Anyone ever hear about this? I don't remember where I originally read it, but I thought it was here.

[simuvac]

Was it here that I read the email from the aviation mechanic that had found wierd tanks and such back where they keep the holding tanks for the lavatories? See. there is a pecking order for these mechanics, and they don't do the shitty work, there is a seperate crew for that.Long story short was the hanger was short handed, and they told this guy to get in there and service a waste valve or some such, at which point he found all of this odd equipment. When he inquired about it, he was told to mind his own business. Then he was suspended for three days for no appearant reason. He waited a while, moved and got a new job, and then posted everything. Anyone ever hear about this? I don't remember where I originally read it, but I thought it was here.

Here's the story you seem to be referencing:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/Witness_1.html

There's some talk about it at rense as well.

I have no idea if this story is true. Can't find corroboration. It seems to get passed around like a hoax, but who knows?

[dMole]

What I find interesting about the German video I posted above is that it suggests in Germany chemtrails are the byproduct of some kind of war games exercises. The meterologist in the video seems to be saying that the clouds of chemtrails he has studied jam radar, and are related to military exercises.

Jamming radar... now that will take some material of considerable density [EDIT: or carefully phased EM radiation] IMHO. The "doppler" weather radar seems to pass right on through pretty intense storms (up to and including hurricanes) from what I recall.

I'll see if I can post a few informative "west desert" photos about this shortly.

[beltman713]

I have chemtrails in my underwear, I think I need to take a shower.

[simuvac]

Jamming radar... now that will take some material of considerable density [EDIT: or carefully phased EM radiation] IMHO. The "doppler" weather radar seems to pass right on through pretty intense storms (up to and including hurricanes) from what I recall.

I'll see if I can post a few informative "west desert" photos about this shortly.

In the video I posted, the German meteorologist describes the clouds as "fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals."

[simuvac]

Mystery Lines in the Sky

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7842623406966197325&hl=en-CA


Short film about chemtrails.

[AuGmENTor]

Good find Tim.

[simuvac]

The mother of all chemtrails sites:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=0

And it has plenty of crazy to boot! Check out the analysis of the Columbia Pictures logo. Um, yeah, subliminal messages....

[AuGmENTor]

Wow X2 Tim. That is a crazy page. Even if the core truth value were only 10% that's some scary shit right there.

[dMole]

Wow! A "mainstream" chemtrails show on Discovery Channel right now. So far, it has been pretty objective.

I'm stunned.

[AuGmENTor]

Do you LIVE in front of the TV sir? I miss all sorts of shit.

[dMole]

It was "Best Evidence: Chemical Contrails" from 2002 I believe, but I'd never seen it before.

It pointed to KC-135 tankers, consistent with Chana's MacDill AFB post.

Patrick Minnis, a scientist from NASA Langley used the same tired USAF "contrail" spin. Aluminum needles from chaff were pointed to. Of course, the USAF refused to give any fuel samples for the independent tests. These tests pretty much just looked for aluminum in a 5 gallon Jet A sample purchased from a Minnesota airport.

You might want to check the following pages

http://www.whale.to/b/splane1.html

I'm not sure how much most people know about Battelle and EG&G, but they are MAJORLY into bioweapons, chemical weapons, Nevada Test Site, as well as defense contracts. Ever hear of the covert JANET aircraft and terminal at McCarran International in Vegas?

Here are some interesting links too:
[probably one of the better researched pages- has download link for "Aerosol Crimes"]
http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

[an apparently unmarked white 4-engine jet in CA]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xE4Mo1xX9Q&feature=related

[why only one of two planes leaving trails?- I've seen and photographed this phenomena myself firsthand several times]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L7ufdwnHxY&feature=related

[mainstream news clip]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C455lMfHfb4&feature=related

http://209.85.48.10/style_images/1/spacer.gif
Here's the US Navy's 1974-1975 patent for "Powder Contrail Generation":

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat3899144.pdf

Hughes Aircraft Company's 1990-1991 patent 5003186 for "Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming":

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5003186.pdf

Column 5, paragraph 1
"...Once the tiny particles have been dispersed into the atmosphere, the particles may remain in suspension for up to one year."

The metals and oxides listed here looked fairly consistent with those claimed in the other sources...

[Another mainstream news video:]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

And this disturbing "about" text:

"Finally, PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79] TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM" "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies." "The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States]." -SOURCE- Public Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977, 91 Stat. 334. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 91, page 334, you will find Public Law 95-79. Public Law 97-375, title II, Sec. 203(a)(1), Dec. 21, 1982, 96 Stat. 1882. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 96, page 1882, you will find Public Law 97-375."

A whiteout hit today, so I figured I might as well do some research.

Another source on the above:
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/A%20SHORT%20HISTORY%20OF%20THE%20U.htm