For The First Time Ever, I Agree With Rush Limbaugh

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For The First Time Ever, I Agree With Rush Limbaugh

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_112805/content/truth_detector.guest.html

"I have come to the conclusion that there are a significant number of people in this country who still don't get it. It's going to take a couple or three more 9/11s, and I'm not kidding. I don't think there are enough people in this country that understand who and what we're up against."

Of course... not in the context that HE meant it... and the fact of the matter is, it is very sad.
 
vernon said:
So you beieve Bush blew up the WTC?
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I think the video evidence of the collapse of the buildings certainly looks like controlled demolition. I think Professor Steven E. Jones who recently wrote a paper on it should be heard, and I think his findings should be compared to NIST's findings in a public arena.

Do I think the Bush Administration was behind 9/11?

Absolutely 100%.
 
Not speaking for JonGold, but whether you call it 'one world government' (a definition I have many problems with, not least its very simplism), 'economic hegemony', or my personal perference 'Empire' is up to yourself.

The idea that powerful economic and military states/blocs seek to dominate and exploit the (natural/financial/human) resources of less powerful states/regions is hardly a startling revelation. This is how empires have acted throughout history - and the US contrary to what its propagandists and apologists would have us belieive is not 'unique'.
 
Partridge said:
Not speaking for JonGold, but whether you call it 'one world government' (a definition I have many problems with, not least its very simplism), 'economic hegemony', or my personal perference 'Empire' is up to yourself.

The idea that powerful economic and military states/blocs seek to dominate and exploit the (natural/financial/human) resources of less powerful states/regions is hardly a startling revelation. This is how empires have acted throughout history - and the US contrary to what its propagandists and apologists would have us belieive is not 'unique'.
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Excellent.
 
Why thank you.

I should say that the reason I disagree with the 'OWG' label is because, I don't think there is a concerted effort to establish a single unified global government (the UN is not even this - the UN is in fact relativley powerless) - the object of capitalist Empire is economic rather than political domination. That is to say, big business cares not WHO is in power, as long as that 'who' does not get in the way of making money/resource exploitation. If they can achieve that through pliant repressive regimes (such as Hussien in the 1980s, the Shah in Iran, Pinochet in Chile, Suharto in Indonesia etc etc) then thats all well and good - and of course military dictatorship have the added bonus of providing a market for the military industrialists. If they can achieve it through ostensibly democratic means (eg most of Western Europe), all well and good also. But if needs be, military invasion and old school colonial occupation are always an option on the table.

Either one of the Rockefellers, or the Rothschilds (and no, I don't think these people secretly pull ever lever in world affairs - they are very rich families though, and no doubt their wealth gives them considerable leverage - but I do think they are most definitely part of the ruling class) once said something to the effect that "If you give me the economy, I don't care who rules" - which I guess is pretty much true for capitalism in general.

But once a leader or popular movement comes along that threatens capitalist control of the economy (a revolutionary leftist govt, a radically left-reformist, or a even an economic nationalist [say Nasser's Egypt] govenrment) then the primary objective is to oust these by whatever means necessary. One need only look at the history of Western imperialist overt/covert interventionism in the 20th century to see this trend.
 
Exactly... they don't secretly pull the lever on everything... but they are the controlling class... you're a big Parenti fan I see.
 
Gold9472 said:
For The First Time Ever, I Agree With Rush Limbaugh

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_112805/content/truth_detector.guest.html

"I have come to the conclusion that there are a significant number of people in this country who still don't get it. It's going to take a couple or three more 9/11s, and I'm not kidding. I don't think there are enough people in this country that understand who and what we're up against."

Of course... not in the context that HE meant it... and the fact of the matter is, it is very sad.
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Whats he actually talking about? Getting tough with the terrorists?? If so, I agree 100%, but lets go after the real terrorists this time.
 
somebigguy said:
Whats he actually talking about? Getting tough with the terrorists?? If so, I agree 100%, but lets go after the real terrorists this time.
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Well, the title of the article is "Left Doesn't Face Reality in War on Terror, McCain Torture Bill Misses the Point".
 
you're a big Parenti fan I see
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Well, its more like me and Parenti have a broadly similar outlook on the world. I actually have a degree in History (and I specialised in my final year in 'Post War American Domestic and Foreign Policy', 'European Communsim', and did a dissertation (thesis) on the Media and Terrorism), and pretty much came to the same conclusions long before I'd ever heard of Parenti. In fact Chomsky was probably a bigger influence on me back then, but without blowing my trumpet, it was more like Chomsky (and others) were putting in words what I wasn't yet able to articulate.

But you never stop learning things, and I do like Parenti's easily accessible style a lot. More historians/political sceintists should drop the acedemic jargon and esoterism and stop writing like they're speaking only to a bunch of people with PhDs.
 
Partridge said:
Well, its more like me and Parenti have a broadly similar outlook on the world. I actually have a degree in History (and I specialised in my final year in 'Post War American Domestic and Foreign Policy', 'European Communsim', and did a dissertation (thesis) on the Media and Terrorism), and pretty much came to the same conclusions long before I'd ever heard of Parenti. In fact Chomsky was probably a bigger influence on me back then, but without blowing my trumpet, it was more like Chomsky (and others) were putting in words what I wasn't yet able to articulate.

But you never stop learning things, and I do like Parenti's easily accessible style a lot. More historians/political sceintists should drop the acedemic jargon and esoterism and stop writing like they're speaking only to a bunch of people with PhDs.
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Indubitably.
 
I know I'm a little late in this convo but a "One World Government" is no longer possible in this day in age. Considering all the powerful alliances and nuclear armed nations that exist nowadays.
 
Gold9472 said:
vernon... is this belief something you find inconceivable?
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Well, I don't mean to be insulting, but yes, it is inconceivable to me.

It would be like believing men did not land on the moon.

Can you refer me to something which makes you believe it is a conspiracy? Hopefully something not too long for now. I have an open mind and will at least check it out.
 
Open minds are good. I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that something is being hidden, just not what that hidden info/event is. I'm concerned you're 100% on this, Gold, considering there are still unanswered questions.
 
vernon said:
Well, I don't mean to be insulting, but yes, it is inconceivable to me.

It would be like believing men did not land on the moon.

Can you refer me to something which makes you believe it is a conspiracy? Hopefully something not too long for now. I have an open mind and will at least check it out.
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Fortunately for you, I do believe we landed on the moon. Unfortunate for you, there isn't any one piece of evidence I could show you that shows our Government was complicit in 9/11. There have been books written that have 100's of pages as to why I think this way. I have spent countless hours of my own time researching 9/11, and other aspects of our Government. Only when you put 2+2 together does it equal 4.

However... I can shatter your idea that our Government wouldn't do such a thing with one simple document.

Operation Northwoods

Read through that document, and tell me what you see.
 
jetsetlemming said:
Open minds are good. I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that something is being hidden, just not what that hidden info/event is. I'm concerned you're 100% on this, Gold, considering there are still unanswered questions.
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100% that the Bush Administration was behind it? Why would that concern you? I've looked at ALL the possibilities, and they ALWAYS lead to Bush. I've looked at Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Britain, Israel, Iraq, etc... and in every instance, there was an American finger in the pie. An American finger from the Bush Administration.
 
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