The 9/11 Trivia Thread

[Gold9472]

This is meant to be an educational thread.

[somebigguy]

I'm hip, I'm hip.

[Gold9472]

According to Time Magazine 9/24/01, the FBI 10/4/01, Miami Herald 9/22/01, and the New York Daily News 5/22/02, what airport were Mohammed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari video recorded at at 5:53am?

[somebigguy]

What is:

Portland Maine.

[Gold9472]

What is:

Portland Maine.

Excellent.

Next Question:

According to the Washington Post 9/28/01, and HA'ARETZ 9/26/01, two people received instant messages warning of the impeding attack two hours before they happened. What company did they work for? I'll give you a hint, they're Israeli owned, and the company is two blocks from the WTC.

[somebigguy]

Odigo?

[somebigguy]

My turn:

Which State did Flight 77 disappear from radar making it impossible to be the plane that hit the Pentagon?

[Gold9472]

Odigo?

Very Good!

Next Question:

Which organization had plans of a simulation of an airplane accidentally crashing into its headquarters on 9/11 according to the Associated Press 2/21/02, and UPI 8/22/02?

[Gold9472]

My turn:

Which State did Flight 77 disappear from radar making it impossible to be the plane that hit the Pentagon?

It first veered off course in Southern Ohio at 8:54am...

Between 8:56-9:05am Flight 77 Disappears over Indianapolis skies...

The answer would be Indiana.

[somebigguy]

Very Good!

Next Question:

Which organization had plans of a simulation of an airplane accidentally crashing into its headquarters on 9/11 according to the Associated Press 2/21/02, and UPI 8/22/02?
That would be the Pentagon Alex.

[Gold9472]

And incidentally, how does that make it "impossible"?

[Gold9472]

That would be the Pentagon Alex.

BUZZ...

The answer is:

The National Reconnaissance Office...

The office is located four miles from Washington's Dulles Airport, where one of the real hijacked planes took off from.

[somebigguy]

It first veered off course in Southern Ohio at 8:54am...

Between 8:56-9:05am Flight 77 Disappears over Indianapolis skies...

The answer would be Indiana.
You are correct sir.

[somebigguy]

BUZZ...

The answer is:

The National Reconnaissance Office...

The office is located four miles from Washington's Dulles Airport, where one of the real hijacked planes took off from.
Sorry Alex.

I'll take Great American Snowjobs for $500.

[Gold9472]

You are correct sir.

Next Question:

According to CNN 9/13/01, and the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review 9/13/01, Investigators say they found debris from the Flight 93 crash far from the main crash site. Which two towns did they find debris in? Debris, indicating the plane blew up in mid-air...

These towns were 3 miles and 8 miles from the crash site...

[somebigguy]

Next Question:

According to CNN 9/13/01, and the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review 9/13/01, Investigators say they found debris from the Flight 93 crash far from the main crash site. Which two towns did they find debris in? Debris, indicating the plane blew up in mid-air...

These towns were 3 miles and 8 miles from the crash site...
What is New Baltimore and Indian Lake.

[Gold9472]

What is New Baltimore and Indian Lake.

Excellent. Since you got one wrong, I get to go again... :D

[somebigguy]

Question:

Which "Hijackers" passport survived the plane crase and inferno that took down two skyscrapers and was found a few blocks away.

[Gold9472]

According to Time Magazine 12/21/1998, in an article dubbed, "The Hunt For Osama" it is reported that intelligence sources have evidence that bin Laden may be planning his boldest move yet - a strike on which two cities?

[Gold9472]

Question:

Which "Hijackers" passport survived the plane crase and inferno that took down two skyscrapers and was found a few blocks away.

Um, I don't know...

[Gold9472]

According to Time Magazine 12/21/1998, in an article dubbed, "The Hunt For Osama" it is reported that intelligence sources have evidence that bin Laden may be planning his boldest move yet - a strike on which two cities?

New York City, and Washington, D.C.

[somebigguy]

New York City, and Washington, D.C.
Hey, you didn't give me a chance.

[somebigguy]

Um, I don't know...
Satam Al Suqami

Like, Duh.

[Gold9472]

Hey, you didn't give me a chance.

Remember though... they had NO IDEA...

[somebigguy]

Remember though... they had NO IDEA...
That's right !!! Good point!!!!

[Gold9472]

A New York Times article theorizes that a _______ _____ _____ was responsible for the collapse of Building 7? [New York Times 3/2/02; Dow Jones News 9/10/02]

[somebigguy]

A New York Times article theorizes that a _______ _____ _____ was responsible for the collapse of Building 7? [New York Times 3/2/02; Dow Jones News 9/10/02]
Controlled demolition?

[Gold9472]

Controlled demolition?

Nope...

[somebigguy]

Nope...
Hmm, what would the media claim it to be...


Massive Structural Failure.

[Gold9472]

Nope... you'll actually say, "Wow, I didn't know that..."

[somebigguy]

Nope... you'll actually say, "Wow, I didn't know that..."
OK, gimme the goods...

[Gold9472]

OK, gimme the goods...

A "Diesel Fuel Tank"

[somebigguy]

A "Diesel Fuel Tank"
Oh shit, thats right. Unfortunately there was only a small chance of that ocurring.

[Gold9472]

bump

[frindevil]

More questions!

- Frind

[Gold9472]

Ok... fill in the blank...

December 2000 - April 2001: Israeli Investigators Deported After Identifying Two Hijackers
According to later German reports, "a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, [follow] the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States...In the town of _________, _______, they ...Atta and Marwan Alshehhi as possible terrorists. Agents [live] in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock." Supposedly, around April, the Israeli agents are discovered and deported, terminating the investigation. [[I]DER SPIEGEL, 10/1/02]

Name the town and state.

[Gold9472]

bump

[rayrayjones]

Ok... fill in the blank...

December 2000 - April 2001: Israeli Investigators Deported After Identifying Two Hijackers
According to later German reports, "a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, [follow] the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States...In the town of _________, _______, they ...Atta and Marwan Alshehhi as possible terrorists. Agents [live] in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock." Supposedly, around April, the Israeli agents are discovered and deported, terminating the investigation. [[i]DER SPIEGEL, 10/1/02]

Name the town and state.

Hollywood, Florida

this is fun!

[Gold9472]

Hollywood, Florida

this is fun!

Very good! Your turn.

[rayrayjones]

Very good! Your turn.

Able Danger, the military intelligence gathering unit that identified Mohammad Atta in 2000 identified which future Bush administration official as having possible terrroist/spy links before shutting down due to the possbility of "spying on americans"?


i still think there is more to able danger than they are telling us...way beyond identifying Atta.


not to get off topic, but in regards to Atta. has anyone read Nafeez Ahmed's War on Truth or Webster Tarpley's 9-11:Synthetic terror?

i am finishing up both and they seem to put forth the same information (different arguments), except a part where they talk about Atta's past. In War on truth, Ahmed claims that Atta was put on the terrorist watch list because of an attack he helped in Israel in 1985 (or '86) and questions how we could have let him into the country knowing he was on this list, but Tarpley claims that another man named mohammed atta was responsible and therefore because Atta had the same name, flags should have come up because of this.

it's a technicality, but one that stood out for me. i was wondering what y'all thought.

[Gold9472]

Able Danger, the military intelligence gathering unit that identified Mohammad Atta in 2000 identified which future Bush administration official as having possible terrroist/spy links before shutting down due to the possbility of "spying on americans"?


i still think there is more to able danger than they are telling us...way beyond identifying Atta.

It was Condoleeza Rice (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4274), and it was because she was a "potential security risk".

[rayrayjones]

It was Condoleeza Rice (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4274), and it was because she was a "potential security risk".

correct! questions rose as to whether her stanford links where then linked to potential chinese spying, based on her extensive work with the Chinese.....

"The program wrongly tagged Rice, who at the time was an adviser to then-candidate George W. Bush, and former Defense Secretary William Perry by linking their associations at Stanford, along with their contacts with Chinese leaders, sources said.

"The program also spat out scores of names of other former government officials."

it makes sense if we think there are people within the government or former officials that may have had a hand in the attacks of 9-11....

this is a dead link....but for reference to an article printed before 9-11
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/23/2031...

The Chinese Army Spy and Condoleezza Rice
Charles R. Smith
Wednesday, Jan. 24, 2001

Condoleezza Rice, national security adviser to President Bush, has recently granted an interview to virtually every reporter but me. Perhaps it is because I keep asking her questions about the Chinese spy in her past.
Rice has impeccable credentials. She worked for the elder George Bush in the White House, handling Russian issues. She is a distinguished fellow at the Hoover Institution and former provost of Stanford University. Rice is very close to former Clinton Secretary of Defense William Perry. Rice worked with Perry and the Clinton administration during her term at Stanford. The Clinton White House once mentioned her as being on the short list for secretary of state.

Yet it is her years at Stanford working with Perry that have rendered Rice silent. While working at Stanford, she became involved in the most successful Chinese army penetration of the Clinton Defense Department. She will not answer questions about her relationship with Chinese spy Hua Di.


sorry to get off topic, again.

NEXT QUESTION!
(http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1098961-2,00.html)

[Gold9472]

My turn:

Which State did Flight 77 disappear from radar making it impossible to be the plane that hit the Pentagon?

BTW... that's a trick question. That's a "theory"...

[somebigguy]

BTW... that's a trick question. That's a "theory"...
Actually thats a fact, check your radar records.

[Gold9472]

Actually thats a fact, check your radar records.

Flight 77 disappeared from radar screens over Indianapolis at around 8:50 based on the FAA transcript, and at 8:51 according to the 9/11 Report. Indianapolis is 593 miles from Washington D.C according to www.mapquest.com. A Boeing 757 travels at a top speed of 609 mph according to the Boeing (http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/757.html) website.. Whatever hit the Pentagon, hit at 9:37:46 based on the 9/11 Report. It is possible Flight 77 hit the Pentagon in 46-47 minutes based on those numbers, and times, and that a plane covers distances faster at higher altitudes... however, my questions pertaining to the Pentagon are more about... why won't they release the 85 tapes that show what hit the Pentagon? Why did the FBI confiscate surrounding cameras from the neighboring gas station and hotel within 5 minutes of "something", presumably Flight 77, hitting the Pentagon? Why weren't planes scrambled from Andrews Air Force base to take out Flight 77? Why didn't Dick Cheney order planes scrambled from Andrews Air Force base? He was at the PEOC by 9:10 according to Paul Thompson's Timeline. Why is Norman Mineta's testimony missing from both the 9/11 Report, and the 9/11 Commission's website? Based on his testimony, Dick Cheney was at the PEOC at least by 9:20. Yet, the 9/11 Report lists him as being at the PEOC by 9:58. Those are some of the questions I have about the Pentagon, and proves that your comment is a "theory" regarding Flight 77 not hitting the Pentagon... Whew... that took some work (as you well know because you and I are the ones that talked about it on AOL Instant Messenger)...

[Gold9472]

Also keep in mind I didn't look at the FAA, and NORAD timelines to see what they had to say, which, to my knowledge, was different.

[Gold9472]

But based on the "Official" (9/11 Report) and "Final" (9/11 Report) accounts, the numbers somewhat add up for Flight 77, and COMPLETELY don't add up regarding Cheney.

[Gold9472]

Flight 77 was flying at 500mph according to Paul Thompson's Timeline...

[Gold9472]

Which means Flight 77 MIGHT have had the time to fly from Indianapolis to Washington D.C. depending upon how high the plane was being flown from Indianapolis to Washington D.C. and what the altitude/speed ratio is for planes (which I don't know)

[Gold9472]

I just know higher altitude = covers distances faster...

[Gold9472]

And I know that Senator Mark Dayton said that we were lied to by the FAA and NORAD.

[Gold9472]

So chances are, we were lied to by the 9/11 Commission as well.

[Gold9472]

Especially if you take into account that Philip Zelikow was in charge of the investigation.

[rayrayjones]

Flight 77 disappeared from radar screens over Indianapolis at around 8:50 based on the FAA transcript, and at 8:51 according to the 9/11 Report. Indianapolis is 593 miles from Washington D.C according to www.mapquest.com (http://www.mapquest.com). A Boeing 757 travels at a top speed of 609 mph according to the Boeing (http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/757.html) website.. Whatever hit the Pentagon, hit at 9:37:46 based on the 9/11 Report. It is possible Flight 77 hit the Pentagon in 46-47 minutes based on those numbers, and times, and that a plane covers distances faster at higher altitudes... however, my questions pertaining to the Pentagon are more about... why won't they release the 85 tapes that show what hit the Pentagon? Why did the FBI confiscate surrounding cameras from the neighboring gas station and hotel within 5 minutes of "something", presumably Flight 77, hitting the Pentagon? Why weren't planes scrambled from Andrews Air Force base to take out Flight 77? Why didn't Dick Cheney order planes scrambled from Andrews Air Force base? He was at the PEOC by 9:10 according to Paul Thompson's Timeline. Why is Norman Mineta's testimony missing from both the 9/11 Report, and the 9/11 Commission's website? Based on his testimony, Dick Cheney was at the PEOC at least by 9:20. Yet, the 9/11 Report lists him as being at the PEOC by 9:58. Those are some of the questions I have about the Pentagon, and proves that your comment is a "theory" regarding Flight 77 not hitting the Pentagon... Whew... that took some work (as you well know because you and I are the ones that talked about it on AOL Instant Messenger)...

and don't forget...

Shortly after 9:00, Indianapolis Center started notifying other agencies that American 77 was missing and had possibly crashed. At 9:08, Indianapolis Center contacted Air Force Search and Rescue at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, and told them to look out for a downed aircraft. They also contacted the West Virginia State Police, and asked whether they had any reports of a downed aircraft. At 9:09, they reported the loss of contact to the FAA regional center, which passed this information to FAA headquarters at 9:24.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233007/

for the life of me i can't find any answer that was given by the W.VA state police...i guess since "Flight 77" crashed into the pentagon, we are to assume that the W.VA state police did not find any crash when called by the FAA

[somebigguy]

Which means Flight 77 MIGHT have had the time to fly from Indianapolis to Washington D.C. depending upon how high the plane was being flown from Indianapolis to Washington D.C. and what the altitude/speed ratio is for planes (which I don't know)
Remember, these were not crack pilots, the likelihood of them being able to find their target and fly directly at it is remote. Its a big freaking world, realistically what are the chances they could find their targets from 20,000 feet up?

The timeline cuts it extremely close, they had to fly at top speed, and they couldn't have had any trouble finding their target. Since they disappeared from radar, and turned off their transponder, they wouldn't have been getting any help from any navigation systems to help them get where they were going would they?

This might be a good area of investigation, how the hell did they find the Pentagon from 500 miles away? Do the flight navigation systems work with the transponder off? That sort of thing.